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[PaulS]

Who implemented the income tax in Conn? Didn't we just have years of Repub. govs?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who implemented the income tax in Conn? Didn't we just have years of Repub. govs?

"Who implemented the income tax in Conn?"

Gov Lowell Weicker, who was an independent.

"Didn't we just have years of Repub. govs"

Yes, we did. But I'm not sure of your point, because (1) a republican, particularly in The People's Republic Of Konnecticut. is not necessarily the same thing as a conservative. And (2) even if the republican governors were fiscally conservative (which they were not), the legislature was dominated by liberals. I'm not sure how much you know about the way a democracy works, but the executive branch cannot unilaterally do away with the income tax. You see, the legislative branch controls the legislative agenda.

I love it when people say, as you were implying, that CT isn't all that liberal, because after all, we have had Republican governors. A state (or country) isn't defined as liberal or conservative simply by the party affiliation of its chief executive. The state's implemented policies define that state as liberal or conservative.

On that basis, you can't get more liberal than CT, you just can't. Astronomical taxes, massive government presence, massive spending, massive borrowing. Giving insane perks to labor unions. Endorsing gay marriage. Refusing to enforce duly constituted immigration laws. Giving tuition breaks to the children of undocumented citizens.

The political landscape of CT cannot be any more liberal than it is. It has been that way for 2 generations. And what have the liberals done? Created a liberal utopia with crippling taxes, staggering debt, astronomical cost of living, lousy business climate, shrinking population, horribly failing cities, forcing Catholic hospitals to offer abortions to rape victims, repeal of the death penalty, radically pro-abortion.

Yes, not every single elected official in CT is a Democrat. That doesn't mean this isn't a BLUE state.

There are Democrats in Texas. That doesn't mean that Texas isn't a very conservative place.

Paul, what policies exist in CT that you would define as "conservative" in nature? Our low taxes and balanced budget?

[PaulS]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;949498Gov Lowell Weicker, who was an independent.

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you sure about that? Didn't he run for Pres. as a Repub?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

you sure about that? Didn't he run for Pres. as a Repub?

Yes, he ran for President as a Republican. But he didn't ram the state income tax down our throats as a candidate for President. He did that when he was governor. And when he ran (successfully) as governor, he was representing the Independent party.

Paul, that is irrelevent. Simple political affiliation does not define a state as conservative or liberal. The state's political landscape defines that state as liberal or conservative.

CT isn't liberal because most of its legislature is Democrat. CT is liberal because this state has an almost unblemished record of adopting pure liberal policies.

Similarly, TX isn't conservative simply because most of its legislators are Republican. It's conservative because those elected officials have embraced conservative ideology.

Many of my liberal friends think liberal economics works, simply because Bill Clinton (a Democrat) turned the economy around. But do you know what he actually did? He cut taxes, cut spending, balanced the budget, and told millions on welfare to get back to work. The fact that Clinton was a Democrat does not mean that those ideas are liberal ideals...

A person's party affiliation doesn't define them as liberal or conservative. Their ideas define them as liberal or conservative.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

A person's party affiliation doesn't define them as liberal or conservative. Their ideas define them as liberal or conservative.

Bingo, too many painting with a wide brush.
Canidates need to be voted for on their policies and not blanket party affliation.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes, he ran for President as a Republican.

So you knew he was a Repub. but wrote that he was an Independant - Sounds dishonest.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So you knew he was a Repub. but wrote that he was an Independant - Sounds dishonest.

What I said was that during the time he was governor, he was not a registered Republican, but rather affiliated with the Independent Party. That's 100% accurate.

I also said his party affiliation is meaningless in trying to decide whether or not CT is a liberal place.

Howling at the moon a bit?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

What I said was that during the time he was governor, he was not a registered Republican, but rather affiliated with the Independent Party. That's 100% accurate.Show me where you said that prior to my questioning your statement that he was an Independant?

Howling at the moon a bit?

No, just as I do frequently, just laughing at your posts.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

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I love it when people say, as you were implying, that CT isn't all that liberal, because after all, we have had Republican governors.

I actually had to come back and respond again b/c your whole post made me laugh. So you can't label someone or thing based on one aspect of something?

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU CONSTANTLY DO??????

Atleast I got a good laugh today. Thanks for the joke.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I actually had to come back and respond again b/c your whole post made me laugh. So you can't label someone or thing based on one aspect of something?

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU CONSTANTLY DO??????

Atleast I got a good laugh today. Thanks for the joke.

"ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU CONSTANTLY DO?????? "

Ummm, no, that isn't remotely what I do. I judge people on what they say and do. If a Democrat wants to cut taxes, I call him conservative. If a Republican supports abortion, I call that a liberal idea.

Your posts might make me laugh, if they weren't so breathtakingly wrong all the time.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU CONSTANTLY DO??????

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To clarify...I make conclusions when they are valid. For example, if a sitting President explicitly says that entrepeneurs didn't create their businesses, I would say that President (1) has no affection/understanding for free market capitalism, and (2) has a screw loose.

However...if a politician is a Democrat, I would not therefore conclude that he is liberal. YOU are the one who implied that CT is not a liberal place because we have had governors who were Republicans. You are therefore necessarily assuming that 'Republican' and 'liberal' cannot occur together. Nonsense.

I connect dots when the connection makes a great deal of sense. You do it out of blind desperation either to prove your points, or to refute mine. And it shows.