Obamacare easily survives supreme court

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Justplugit: most of those who don't pay the income tax part of it feel the pain in many ways. All of the other taxes have much more impact on their bottom line than it does on other people. Think of how gas taxes or sales taxes impacts a married couple making less than 18,000 a year. You want the feds to take more money from them?

Oh yeah, because you think they don't feel the effects of taxes... like the poor guy who still has an after tax income of $1,000,000 does?

"Think of how gas taxes or sales taxes impacts a married couple making less than 18,000 a year. You want the feds to take more money from them? "

You are missing (or dodging) the point.

49% of those who file pay zero federal income tax. I'm not concerned about the married couple making $18,000 a year,,,because there aren't many of those. I'm concerned about everyone in the top third of those who pay no taxes.

Zimmy, HLF of those who worek pay zero income tax. I couldn't find out what the income threshold is to pay no tax. But if 49% pay no tax, that means that someone making just below the average income, pay no taxes.

That is insane. I have no problem with the poorest of the poor paying no federal income tag. I have huge issues with 49% not paying federal incoime tax. That is not fair.

[Jim in CT]

Zimmy, you also dodged another question...you asked why conservatives lie and call the penalty a tax? I asked you if Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsberg are lying conservatives, since they are also calling it a tax?

Your response? Hmmm?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Zimmy, you also dodged another question...you asked why conservatives lie and call the penalty a tax? I asked you if Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsberg are lying conservatives, since they are also calling it a tax?

Your response? Hmmm?

Did they?
I thought they decided it was OK as it was under Commerce Clause?
Roberts used the Tax angle to come to his assertion.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Did they?
I thought they decided it was OK as it was under Commerce Clause?
Roberts used the Tax angle to come to his assertion.

Jim, I don't see your posts except when quoted, so don't expect a response. Rockhound is right, Sotomayor and Ginsberg were going to pass it based on commerce law.The majority opinion written by Roberts said THE MANDATE can be upheld as a tax. I was specifically referring to the cons calling the entire bill a tax. The other 4 conservative judges said it isn't a tax, by the way. I really don't care either way. It is semantics. If a person who chooses not to have insurance pays penalty or a bit more in taxes to cover the cost we get stuck with when they go to the ER for a cold, so be it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

If a person who chooses not to have insurance pays penalty or a bit more in taxes to cover the cost we get stuck with when they go to the ER for a cold, so be it.

How about, instead of rewriting the Constitution by, via Robert's decision, giving the fedgov an unspecified general power to tax that didn't previously exist in the Constitution, thus giving the government unlimited power of taxation--how about, instead, the person without insurance just PAYS THE BILL.