If I wanted America to fail

[Mr. Sandman]

Let me put it this way for those of you who still can't (or refuse to) understand...


The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop.

And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason?

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 231 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that in 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Now... the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

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That's liberalism in a nutshell.

There are 2 facts here, and only 2, that matter.

(1) when you consider Social Security and Medicare, we are in teh red to the tune of at least $50 trillion.

(2) No matter how you do the math, we can never generate anywhere near that much additional tax revenue in the timeframe needed. Taxes won't put a dent in that.

When you consider those 2 facts, you do one of 2 things. You either...

(1) start making deep, menaingful, necessary cuts to right the ship, or

(2) you do nothing, and leave a huge mess in the laps of your children.

Liberals not only choose path (2) here, they attack the character of those who support path (1).

I don't want to hear Obama tell me why Paul Ryan is mean. I want to hear Obama (or any liberal here tell me why Paul Ryan is wrong.

Zimmy, Spence, Pauls, Likwid, please...tell me how we raise $50 trillion in the next 75 years, without deep spending cuts.

Obama has been in office 3 years, and has done exactly nothing to curtail entitlement spending.

Sandman is, of course, correct.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.
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Politicians know human nature and the great human desire to get something for nothing.
Except for the air we breathe, there is little that is free.
They also play on the fact that people forget so quickly. In this information age, and
it's mega information, the average person can't keep up let alone remember what
happened 2 yrs ago.

[JohnR]

Spence - what was the problem with it? Overly propagandist? Yeh probably. Or is your issue with it that it is inspired by what Paul Harvey said several times over his career (close but not actually what he said - there is embellishment)

I don't think there is some vast left wing conspiracy generating a fifth column led by the spirit of Che trying to bring down the US. But I do think some elements of it are true.

I do think the way our country is trending that we are getting worse and not for the better - that if we keep spending and borrowing the way we are we will loose our opportunity to fix it. We are giving this nightmare to our kids - your kids and mine. This is not acceptable.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Spence - what was the problem with it? Overly propagandist? Yeh probably.

Overly propagandist...ya think just a bit?

All the video does it take some generic frustrations and amplify them with hyperbole forming a toxic demagoguery cocktail. Yes, there's a little truth to it...but very little.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Overly propagandist...ya think just a bit?

All the video does it take some generic frustrations and amplify them with hyperbole forming a toxic demagoguery cocktail. Yes, there's a little truth to it...but very little.

-spence

- So forgetting the whole Satan thing for a minute what did you have a problem with? Can you break down what was true and not true (forget about what was washed in hyperbole)