new GOM cod regs are out

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

They are fishing for the 99.99% of the population that can't or won't fish for themselves. The fish belong to everyone!

Bull.

Yes the fish belong to everyone.

If the 99.99% of the population was the primary concern the fishery would have been shut down totally a decade ago. No consumer wants to pay $17 a pound for food that better management (i.e., allowing a fishery to recover) would make available for $3 a pound.

The codfishery (and other commercial fisheries) are managed for the benefit of the commercial fisherman......NOT THE PUBLIC. The public pays a cost of billions of dollars in the form of higher food costs as a result of this mismanagement.

Shut the fishery, when the fish are recovered reopen it. If the public came first that is what would happen. The reason it has not happened is because the public does not come first....plain and simple.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Bull.

Yes the fish belong to everyone.

If the 99.99% of the population was the primary concern the fishery would have been shut down totally a decade ago. No consumer wants to pay $17 a pound for food that better management (i.e., allowing a fishery to recover) would make available for $3 a pound.

The codfishery (and other commercial fisheries) are managed for the benefit of the commercial fisherman......NOT THE PUBLIC. The public pays a cost of billions of dollars in the form of higher food costs as a result of this mismanagement.

Shut the fishery, when the fish are recovered reopen it. If the public came first that is what would happen. The reason it has not happened is because the public does not come first....plain and simple.

The fallacy of your statement can be demonstrated by one statistic, the U.S. IMPORTS 70% of our seafood. No matter what the NMFS did, it wouldn't lower prices to the consumer.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

The fallacy of your statement can be demonstrated by one statistic, the U.S. IMPORTS 70% of our seafood. No matter what the NMFS did, it wouldn't lower prices to the consumer.

Uhhhhh, no, Mike, all that statistic shows is how closed your mind is to the reality of what is going on.

First, isn't most imported seafood is Asian farmed shrimp, Canadian lobster, and farmed salmon? Codfish may compete with the latter, but not very much the first two. Secondly, it says a lot about how bad fishery management is when imported salmon is cheaper than native codfish.

Obviously if the NMFS managed cod fish for the interest of the general public, rather than commercial fisheries and local political constituencies, there would be far less need and demand to import finfish for consumption, and those who choose to eat finfish could do so more cheaply. This would result in increased consumer surplus.......a major goal of national economic policies. The 99.99% of people commercial fishermen are "serving" would have more money left in their pocket after eating to spend on other things. You think they prefer it the way it is?

Codfish once were a hugely important national source of cheap protein. Now they are a luxury item. Fisherman can still make a living catching them since market price is high, but the consumers in this country subsidize this and get screwed doing so.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Uhhhhh, no, Mike, all that statistic shows is how closed your mind is to the reality of what is going on.

First, isn't most imported seafood is Asian farmed shrimp, Canadian lobster, and farmed salmon? Codfish may compete with the latter, but not very much the first two. Secondly, it says a lot about how bad fishery management is when imported salmon is cheaper than native codfish.

Obviously if the NMFS managed cod fish for the interest of the general public, rather than commercial fisheries and local political constituencies, there would be far less need and demand to import finfish for consumption, and those who choose to eat finfish could do so more cheaply. This would result in increased consumer surplus.......a major goal of national economic policies. The 99.99% of people commercial fishermen are "serving" would have more money left in their pocket after eating to spend on other things. You think they prefer it the way it is?

Codfish once were a hugely important national source of cheap protein. Now they are a luxury item. Fisherman can still make a living catching them since market price is high, but the consumers in this country subsidize this and get screwed doing so.

Don't look now, but a lot of the codfish you see in the markets is coming from Norway. Same for haddock, grey and lemon sole, and on and on. If you think all of that imported seafood is farmed fish and shrimp, you need to dig a little deeper in the statistics. Its not hard, the info is out there, if you just open up your mind and go look it up.

[numbskull]

Happy Easter. Once we had the most productive ground fish fishery in the world. And now you say we have to import it but restoring the fishery would not change that? And you honestly believe that? Sorry, but that seems a bit of a reach to me.