liberal tolerance - Justice Scalia at Wesleyan University

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, again you're making up facts as you go along, that support your beliefs. Please state the law that guarantees workplace accessability to contraception.

I never stated that Federal law "guarantees workplace accessability to contraception."

Again, you're making things up to accuse someone of making things up! Good lord it's chronic...

The 2010 HCB does mandate that health insurance providers cover contraception without copay.. It's a law targeted at insurers rather than employers. That's what the Blundt Amendment was trying to change.

I see you haven't responded to the pesky first amendment.

Spence, the Bill Of Rights applies to everyon, even those you disagree with. It's tough, I admit. Freedom of expression means some jerk can hang a picture of Christ covered in fecal matter. I don't like it, but I don't want the feds stopping it. Freedom of the press means that tabloid journalists can report smut. I don't like it, but I don't want the feds outlawing it. Freedom of speech means the Klan can hold a peaceful rally. I don't like it, but I dodn't want the feds stopping it. And LIKE IT OR NOT, freedom of religion means that Catholics have the right to teach that contraception is wrong.

If enough peopl eagree with you, then you go ahead and amend the constitution. Until then, neither you nor Obama has the right to selectively apply the rights protected by the first amendment.

Spence, I posted the relevent portion of the first amendment. You keep referring to legally protected access to contraception. I keep asking you to postthe law saying that employers are obligated to provide contraception, even if the employer is a religious institution. You havern't posted that law, but you keep referring to freedom of access of contraception.

Kindly post said law, or admit that you made it up please. Is that too much to ask?

Nobody is seeking to infringe on the rights of Catholics to teach that contraception is immoral. Although, you might question the effectiveness of such teaching considering that the vast majority of Catholic women are reported to have used contraception.

The Catholic Church is free to teach what they want, what they can't do is restrict an insurance company from covering contraception in violation of current law.

-spence

[scottw]

creating a "legal mandate" forcing private insurers(companies) to provide a product, for free, with no co-pay and effectively forcing institutions(who may be self-insurers and may be Catholic or otherwise) who pay for or sponsor the service(insurance) to provide something which may contradict their religious or moral teaching and belief is a usurpation of the Constitution....and it's just the beginning



yes Spence...the insurers are targets

“The private market is in a death spiral,” Sebelius said

Later on Tuesday, in an address to the American Cancer Society’s Cancer Action Network, Sebelius discussed the “broken” health insurance system that Obamacare aims to fix.

Sebelius said that the next “important step” in implementing the president's health care plan is to establish “essential health benefits”--the basic package of coverage that the federal government will order all health insurance plans to cover.

The Affordable Care Act outlines 10 areas of basic coverage, including preventive services, prescription drugs, pediatric care and hospital services. The "preventive services" area is the one under which the administration has already ordered that all health insurance plans must cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions, without charging any fees or co-pay to insured workers and their dependents.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I never stated that Federal law "guarantees workplace accessability to contraception."

Again, you're making things up to accuse someone of making things up! Good lord it's chronic...

The 2010 HCB does mandate that health insurance providers cover contraception without copay..

It's a law targeted at insurers rather than employers.

Nobody is seeking to infringe on the rights of Catholics to teach that contraception is immoral.

The Catholic Church is free to teach what they want, what they can't do is restrict an insurance company from covering contraception in violation of current law.
-spence

oh brother

you forgot the part about Obamacare mandating insurance coverage....one thing leads to another...very conveniently I suppose

you may also want to remember that the contraception mandate was not part of the original law that was dubiously passed...what was passed gave power to Sebilius to defiine at a later date what constituted and could be mandated for certain care, the possibilities may be endless....I guess if you don't mind laws like these being passed giving people like Sebilius(or perhaps someone who you disagree with) a very wide berth to determine and mandate what does and does not constitute certain care free or otherwise....or anything else....the pendulum swings both ways

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I never stated that Federal law "guarantees workplace accessability to contraception."

Again, you're making things up to accuse someone of making things up! Good lord it's chronic...

The 2010 HCB does mandate that health insurance providers cover contraception without copay.. It's a law targeted at insurers rather than employers. That's what the Blundt Amendment was trying to change.


Nobody is seeking to infringe on the rights of Catholics to teach that contraception is immoral. Although, you might question the effectiveness of such teaching considering that the vast majority of Catholic women are reported to have used contraception.

The Catholic Church is free to teach what they want, what they can't do is restrict an insurance company from covering contraception in violation of current law.

-spence

" never stated that Federal law "guarantees workplace accessability to contraception."

First of all, you said this on this thread...

"Letting a company deny legally protected access to contraception"

That's your quote. If you concede that there is NO LAW WHATSOEVER that requires employers to offer contraception, then why are we having this conversation? If there is no such law, from where does Obama get the authority to order an employer (Catholic Church) to offer contraceptives to its employees?

Spence, it seems like you're all over the place here...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I never stated that Federal law "guarantees workplace accessability to contraception."

Again, you're making things up to accuse someone of making things up! Good lord it's chronic...

The 2010 HCB does mandate that health insurance providers cover contraception without copay.. It's a law targeted at insurers rather than employers. That's what the Blundt Amendment was trying to change.


Nobody is seeking to infringe on the rights of Catholics to teach that contraception is immoral. Although, you might question the effectiveness of such teaching considering that the vast majority of Catholic women are reported to have used contraception.

The Catholic Church is free to teach what they want, what they can't do is restrict an insurance company from covering contraception in violation of current law.

-spence

"you might question the effectiveness of such teaching"

No, you and your liberal ilk should question the effectiveness of contraception. When libs demanded that contraception be made universally available diring the sexual revolution, they said that contraceptives would reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and STD's. Turns out, your side could not have been more wrong (as usual), as the numbers of those things have skyrocketed now that we have transformed sex into a casual thing.

Not a great cultural leap forward in my book.

And refraining from the use of contraceptives is not a "binding belief" of the catechism. Some beliefs are "binding" - meaning, you are not allowed to disoute that Jesus is the son of God. Other beliefs (like saying the rosary, refraining from contraceptives) are non-binding.