Lottery winner continues to collect food stamps...

[The Dad Fisherman]

You're talking city/town employees and I'm talking Federal Employees....those are 2 different things as well.

In my town I'm very happy with the School teachers and school system. I have teachers that give extra of their own time to the students.....I even had the music teacher sign up as a merit badge counselor to work with the boys in the troops in town.....no union issues, no additional pay....he was happy to do it.

I was in the Public sector for 25 years...and I don't see much difference....there are your hard workers and there is the occasional slug.

There are over 25,000 cities and towns in the US...you list 2 and that is supposed to be the rule....but my 2 examples are the exception

Did anybody ever think that what they are seeing might be the exception?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You're talking city/town employees and I'm talking Federal Employees....those are 2 different things as well.

True enough...

TDF, let's break down the public/private sector to its fundamental, irrefutable difference...

In the private sector (for the most part), you only bring in revenue by making people WANT TO give you their money. That's a heck of a thing. People work hard for their money, and will likely only hand it over for something of value. Furthermore, most businesses have a lot of competition. Consequently, common sense suggests that the private scetor workers have every imaginable incentive to be as efficient as possible, and to add as much value as possible. for their customers.

In the public sector, for the most part, the revenue is confiscated from the customer in the form of taxes, and given to the entity in question (Dept of Energy, Dept Of Education, whatever). These organizations know that they will get their budgeted revenue regardless of how well or poorly they perform. Furthermore, there is no competition. For example, there's only one Department Of Energy, there isn't a private-sector counterpart competing for those tax dollars. Those organizations have a monopoly, no competition (for many of the organizations, not for all). That removes much of the incentive to excel for many people.

Are there public sector workers who go above and beyond the call? Absolutely. Are there private scetor workers who are lazy? Absolutely. But between public and private, one of those sectors tells its employees that they don't get anything unless they work for it, the other tells its employees that the revenue is guaranteed up front. You don't need to be a Harvard-trained psychiatrist to guess which kinds of behaviors each system is likely to produce.

[The Dad Fisherman]

I agree with that...thats not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that a lot of government workers do work....they don't all sit around collecting a check, which is what was alluded to earlier.

Like I said...I was in the Private sector for 25 years...i do get the differences

I have also seen a lot of government waste, but I see the cause of it more in the processes than in the people.

The processes drive me ape-chit....I will never argue that.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True enough...

TDF, let's break down the public/private sector to its fundamental, irrefutable difference...

In the private sector (for the most part), you only bring in revenue by making people WANT TO give you their money. That's a heck of a thing. People work hard for their money, and will likely only hand it over for something of value. Furthermore, most businesses have a lot of competition. Consequently, common sense suggests that the private scetor workers have every imaginable incentive to be as efficient as possible, and to add as much value as possible. for their customers.

In the public sector, for the most part, the revenue is confiscated from the customer in the form of taxes, and given to the entity in question (Dept of Energy, Dept Of Education, whatever). These organizations know that they will get their budgeted revenue regardless of how well or poorly they perform. Furthermore, there is no competition. For example, there's only one Department Of Energy, there isn't a private-sector counterpart competing for those tax dollars. Those organizations have a monopoly, no competition (for many of the organizations, not for all). That removes much of the incentive to excel for many people.

Are there public sector workers who go above and beyond the call? Absolutely. Are there private scetor workers who are lazy? Absolutely. But between public and private, one of those sectors tells its employees that they don't get anything unless they work for it, the other tells its employees that the revenue is guaranteed up front. You don't need to be a Harvard-trained psychiatrist to guess which kinds of behaviors each system is likely to produce.

[justplugit]

She is just the tip of the iceberg.
Watch Judge Judy for a week and you will see every conceivable way possibvle
of people ripping off the welfare system
Oh my back is a little stiff this morning, where do I sign up for disability?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

She is just the tip of the iceberg.
Watch Judge Judy for a week and you will see every conceivable way possibvle
of people ripping off the welfare system
Oh my back is a little stiff this morning, where do I sign up for disability?

Insurance companies are smart. They hire Private Investigators to knock people off for claiming disability insurance yet being perfectly fine. The government needs to get with the program.

My fiance is a PA and she sees people every week (maybe everyday for all I know) that are on Medicare due to a disability. Okay, crap happens and people get injured or something similar? No, things like being 28 years old and having "anxiety" are now acceptable ways to claim disability. ANXIETY.... Are you effing kidding me?!?

20-30 years ago if someone tried to claim "anxiety" as a disability, you know what society would tell them?? "Welcome to the real world. Suck it up and get a job!" But now in the kooshy world where everything must be rainbows and butterflies, we coddle these wastes of space and society tells them "don't worry. It's not your fault."

[mosholu]

Back to the article maybe I read it wrong but how do you qualify for welfare if you own two houses. I would thing as a precondition for getting welfare one of those houses should have been sold or rented.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by mosholu

Back to the article maybe I read it wrong but how do you qualify for welfare if you own two houses. I would thing as a precondition for getting welfare one of those houses should have been sold or rented.

She used her winning to buy a second house... and a new car. But you know, she has bills to pay so the government shouldn't stop giving her food stamps.

Orrrr..... instead of taking the lump sum, she could have taken the yearly payout. Then, since she'd have income equivalent to a healthy yearly salary without actually having to work, she could go to school and get an education. That way, when the lotto payouts stop, she can actually get a job and be a contributing member of society.

But, that's far too rational and responsible of thinking for someone that just won $1million and thinks they should continue to receive their handouts.

It's disgusting.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by mosholu

Back to the article maybe I read it wrong but how do you qualify for welfare if you own two houses. I would thing as a precondition for getting welfare one of those houses should have been sold or rented.

It's basedon employment income, or lack thereof. She is unemployed, so she reports no income, so she's eligible. Insane but true.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Okay, crap happens and people get injured or something similar? No, things like being 28 years old and having "anxiety" are now acceptable ways to claim disability. ANXIETY.... Are you effing kidding me?!?

Yup, it's the truth, anxiety qualifies as a disability.
How easy is that to fake, just drink 5 cans of RedBull before you apply.
Either you'll get the disability or your wife will get a death benefit.