There is no way we are going to get a Republican President any time soon.

[Joe]

Your lead is one sentence. That's why my reply was short. Yet your retort is about 900 words? I'm familiar with Goldwater Conservatism, but I prefer the Objectivism of Ayn Rand that influenced Goldwater considerably. Moreover, what you've done here is bad form; you should bait fish, not people.

I cited one Reagan policy. But it was that policy which did more for working Americans to dispel the idea that republicans "are all for the rich" than all the talk that never improved a working person's life.

I did not cite Goldwater policy because there is none. He lost. Goldwater is regarded as a conservative theorist. Theorist is a charitable term they designate to losing politicians who influence other politicians. Whatever the loser does later when his marbles start to go is amusing or disturbing, but not policy.

Reagan pulled from Goldwater, but was astute enough not to go too far. "Morning in America," was a better approach to the people than Goldwater's failed, scary warnings. I voted for Reagan.

Communism failed worldwide in 1989, with the exception of North Korea, Cuba, and China (which has moderated considerably) - and it's not making a comeback.

Reagan won the Cold War by engaging in an arms race that bankrupted the USSR when they tried to keep up. Sure, it ratcheted up debt, but the nukes were never launched. The Cold War was won through diplomacy, and by outspending the Russians - the best formula for victory we could reasonably hope for. It's behind us now. Regan possibly saved the world.

America is not going socialist regardless of how much leftist literature is handed out by the Occupy Movement. We simply can't afford it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Joe

Your lead is one sentence. That's why my reply was short. Yet your retort is about 900 words? I'm familiar with Goldwater Conservatism, but I prefer the Objectivism of Ayn Rand specifics? that influenced Goldwater considerably. Moreover, what you've done here is bad form; you should bait fish, not people. I don't baitfish....much....not sure how you feel I've baited you..just looking for some context to your statement

I cited one Reagan policy. But it was that policy which did more for working Americans to dispel the idea that republicans "are all for the rich" than all the talk that never improved a working person's life. so putting a little more money in your pocket as a result of policy guided by the Conservative Principle that you shouldn't be punished with higher taxes/rates as a result of working harder was enough to dispel the myth that republicans "are all for the rich"?...who coined that phrase anyway?

I did not cite Goldwater policy because there is none. ?? He lost. Goldwater is regarded as a conservative theorist. Theorist is a charitable term they designate to losing politicians who influence other politicians. Whatever the loser does later when his marbles start to go is amusing or disturbing, but not policy. I don't recall Ayn Rand(talk about theorist) ever winning an election whereas Goldwater was elected and served for quite some time practicing his "Conservative Theory"...many on the left were happy to jump on board the Goldwater train after he "lost his marbles"...I think Rand later "lost her marbles" too

Reagan pulled from Goldwater, but was astute enough not to go too far. "Morning in America," was a better approach to the people than Goldwater's failed, scary warnings. I voted for Reagan. both times?

Communism failed worldwide in 1989, with the exception of North Korea, Cuba, and China (which has moderated considerably)??? - and it's not making a comeback.

Reagan won the Cold War by engaging in an arms race that bankrupted the USSR when they tried to keep up. Sure, it ratcheted up debt, but the nukes were never launched. The Cold War was won through diplomacy, and by outspending the Russians - the best formula for victory we could reasonably hope for. It's behind us now. Regan possibly saved the world. possibly

America is not going socialist regardless of how much leftist literature is handed out by the Occupy Movement. We simply can't afford it. I bet a lot of democrats said the same thing about their party just a short time ago

you said "think Goldwater/Reagan Conservatism....not Santorum/Palin's brand of"......I asked for more regarding your take on the differences....you've not offered anything so far....I was just wondering as you threw that out there...... as though the differences were obvious

glad to see someone else gets up early too

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Joe

America is not going socialist regardless of how much leftist literature is handed out by the Occupy Movement. We simply can't afford it.

You're right that we can't afford it. You're wrong if you say that's not where we're headed. When Obama explicitly tells a church that it must abandon its beliefs and provide a service which it teaches is immoral, that's at least socialistic, if not outright totalitarian.

Our 2 largest entitlement programs are social security and Medicare. Those programs are currently underfunded by at least $50 trillion, possibly as much as $100 trillion - that's trillion with a "t". There are 300 million Americans. You do the math to figure out how much more we need. Many states are in the same boat, with insane peomises made to public labor unions.

We sure cannot afford it, but for some reason, that's not stopping us from pursuing it. That's what Obama, and most liberals, cannot grasp.