Just curious, would any of you vote for Santorum

[scottw]

many on the left have believed for a very long that high energy prices would be the best way to reduce consumption and force people into energy efficient vehicals and more efficient lifestyles, the left has longed for European level energy costs.....Obama has, on several occasions talked about higher energy prices, he lamented quick rises that the public would not respond well to but he does not have a problem, based on his statements, with high energy prices....I'll get the quotes if you'd like, but it's no revelation...he does have a problem in an election year if gas continues to soar...

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

many on the left have believed for a very long that high energy prices would be the best way to reduce consumption and force people into energy efficient vehicals and more efficient lifestyles, the left has longed for European level energy costs.....Obama has, on several occasions talked about higher energy prices, he lamented quick rises that the public would not respond well to but he does not have a problem, based on his statements, with high energy prices....I'll get the quotes if you'd like, but it's no revelation...he does have a problem in an election year if gas continues to soar...

Well, there's a pragmatic position that says energy costs will rise as carbon sources are finite and global consumption is rising.

There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it so, nobody can tell you that 6000 pound SUV isn't your right to drive by the glory of the American flag and if we do have an issue the free market will have long since resolved the issue (note: probably with Chinese technology).

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, there's a pragmatic position that says energy costs will rise as carbon sources are finite and global consumption is rising.

There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it so, nobody can tell you that 6000 pound SUV isn't your right to drive by the glory of the American flag and if we do have an issue the free market will have long since resolved the issue (note: probably with Chinese technology).

-spence

are you making a point or just stomping your feet?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

nobody can tell you that 6000 pound SUV isn't your right to drive by the glory of the American flag -spence

YES HE CAN!!!

Obama: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK"

I wonder how much Obama's car weighs and what kind of mileage it gets?

I looked it up...The vehicle fuel consumption is about 8 miles per US gallon.

kinda like everything else with this president isn't it?...does it reflect badly on his character Spence?

I'd post some pics of him eating but it's not pretty and he likes to keep the temps in the rooms that he is occupying Hawaii warm

[justplugit]

Some Math, gas was 9% LOWER (adjusted for inflation) when Bush
left office than when he started.

When Obama took office gas was $1.83/ gal., and now we are headed
for $5 maybe $6. What a difference 3yrs makes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

When Obama took office gas was $1.83/ gal., and now we are headed
for $5 maybe $6. What a difference 3yrs makes.

So what's the difference?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

So what's the difference?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Like I said, some Math, be my guest if you choose.
I think you divide the lower # by the higher one.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Like I said, some Math, be my guest if you choose.
I think you divide the lower # by the higher one.

Remember where prices were about August 2008? Probably best if we ignore them...

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Like I said, some Math, be my guest if you choose.
I think you divide the lower # by the higher one.

It's funny, when gas went up under Bush he said he can't do anything about it. Yet now people want to blame Obama...even though he can't do much about it either.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

YES HE CAN!!!

Obama: "We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK"

I wonder how much Obama's car weighs and what kind of mileage it gets?

Well, he drove a Chrysler 300 before he was elected and did his
campaining, not mispelled , in an SUV.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, there's a pragmatic position that says energy costs will rise as carbon sources are finite and global consumption is rising.

There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it so, nobody can tell you that 6000 pound SUV isn't your right to drive by the glory of the American flag and if we do have an issue the free market will have long since resolved the issue (note: probably with Chinese technology).

-spence

Wait, wait!!!!!

Spence, here's what you said...

"There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it "

OK, Spence. When I made a claim about somehting Obama said, yuo demanded that I prove it.

OK, buddy, what's good for the goose! Spence, please show us a video or post a link of a prominent Republican saying that.

I'm waiting Spence, and I'm all ears.

You just can't help shooting yourself in the foot, can you?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wait, wait!!!!!

"There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it "

I'm pretty sure that's a Santorum quote

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wait, wait!!!!!

Spence, here's what you said...

"There's the Republican position that oil is infinite because God made it "

OK, Spence. When I made a claim about somehting Obama said, yuo demanded that I prove it.

OK, buddy, what's good for the goose! Spence, please show us a video or post a link of a prominent Republican saying that.

I'm waiting Spence, and I'm all ears.

You just can't help shooting yourself in the foot, can you?

My remark wasn't in quotes, I was making the point that the Republican position on energy at times sure isn't very pragmatic.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

My remark wasn't in quotes, I was making the point that the Republican position on energy at times sure isn't very pragmatic.

-spence

So can you explain from where you get the notion that "THE" republican position on oil is that it's infinite, because it came from God?

Who told you that's the official Republican position?

JUST ONE TIME, can you dircetly answer a question?

Also, according to you, when Wright tells folks that the deds invented AIDS to kill blacks, you're saying he's "trying to get people to think"?? Think about what?

Spence, every rational person (and you are NOT in that group) knows that Wright is a smutty hate-peddler. Who doesn't even believe his own BS, because he bought a mansion in a neighborhood that's 99.9% white.

But all you can do is COMPLIMENT him by calling him "thought-provoking". I guess you think that peaceful white-supremacist grouos are merely thought-provoking too?

You are really, really pathetic.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, every rational person (and you are NOT in that group) .

Why do you feel the need to make those judgements or spew them in public?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So can you explain from where you get the notion that "THE" republican position on oil is that it's infinite, because it came from God?

That's the position I've inferred after listening to years of Republican pundits ridicule the Left for concern over sustainable energy.

Also, according to you, when Wright tells folks that the deds invented AIDS to kill blacks, you're saying he's "trying to get people to think"?? Think about what?

There is a pretty big population, especially within the black community, that subscribes to the conspiracy making it almost somewhat mainstream in those circles.

Considering that the US Government has done some pretty wicked things, The Tuskegee Syphilis Study for instance, or more recently reported...

Vets feel abandoned after secret drug experiments - CNN.com

So even though I don't believe the US Government invented AIDS, I can have some appreciation for, from Wright's perspective, why he might subscribe to such a theory.

If anything it's slightly less kooky than Jerry Falwell's contention AIDS was Gods answer to homosexuality...and Falwell was perhaps one of the most influential ministers in modern times.

Spence, every rational person (and you are NOT in that group) knows that Wright is a smutty hate-peddler. Who doesn't even believe his own BS, because he bought a mansion in a neighborhood that's 99.9% white.

But all you can do is COMPLIMENT him by calling him "thought-provoking". I guess you think that peaceful white-supremacist grouos are merely thought-provoking too?

You are really, really pathetic.

I read an interesting article about black churches, it went into the fact that they can sound really angry or even racist at times...but the message really is meant to be positive reinforcement for the black parishioners. From an outsiders perspective that might appear dated, but the race issue in this country really isn't that old when you think about it...

-spence