Cr-Apple

[piemma]

I work for a company that makes mobile apps for banks so we are "Apple" centric. When I joined them I had nothing Apple and never had. Now I have a Mac AirBook, an iPhone and an iPad2. I had a little bit of a learning curve but once I learned all the nuances of the platform I love it. My AirBook never fails, boots in 3 seconds, powers down in the same amount of time and I run all the regular MS stuff like Word, Excel, PP.

[spence]

Originally Posted by piemma

I work for a company that makes mobile apps for banks so we are "Apple" centric. When I joined them I had nothing Apple and never had. Now I have a Mac AirBook, an iPhone and an iPad2. I had a little bit of a learning curve but once I learned all the nuances of the platform I love it. My AirBook never fails, boots in 3 seconds, powers down in the same amount of time and I run all the regular MS stuff like Word, Excel, PP.

Yea, everybody in our house has an Apple product except for the infant but he'll have an iPod before you know it.

People who think that Apple is all marketing don't get the details. Mac products are designed to be intuitive, so the user can focus on the experience and not the headache. The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine. The unibody on the Macbook allows them to make it lighter and smaller than most PC's. They actually machine the frame from a single piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this...And they're cool. Whipping out your new 4G iPhone is cool. Whipping out your Blackberry is not cool, unless you're 12.

They have great marketing but Apple is one of the largest companies in the world because of their innovative products...period.

Disclaimer: Apple uses my companies software for product design.

-spence

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, everybody in our house has an Apple product except for the infant but he'll have an iPod before you know it.

People who think that Apple is all marketing don't get the details. Mac products are designed to be intuitive, so the user can focus on the experience and not the headache. The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine. The unibody on the Macbook allows them to make it lighter and smaller than most PC's. They actually machine the frame from a single piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this...And they're cool. Whipping out your new 4G iPhone is cool. Whipping out your Blackberry is not cool, unless you're 12.

They have great marketing but Apple is one of the largest companies in the world because of their innovative products...period.

Disclaimer: Apple uses my companies software for product design.

-spence

Thank You for introducing a new low for shallow.

[WESTPORTMAFIA]

Ipads and Iphones are a waste unless you hack them. Once you have Cydia it makes sense to own one.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thank You for introducing a new low for shallow.

Please explain.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Please explain.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Spence, do you really think your phone is making you cool?How old are you?Who is impressing people with phones?I feel bad pointing it out but ....please don't respond.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Spence, do you really think your phone is making you cool?How old are you?Who is impressing people with phones?I feel bad pointing it out but ....please don't respond.

I don't have an iPhone, I have a Blackberry.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[RIJIMMY]

[QUOTE=spence;915458]People who think that Apple is all marketing don't get the details. Mac products are designed to be intuitive, so the user can focus on the experience and not the headache. The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine. The unibody on the Macbook allows them to make it lighter and smaller than most PC's. They actually machine the frame from a single piece of aluminum. Nobody else does this...And they're cool. Whipping out your new 4G iPhone is cool. Whipping out your Blackberry is not cool, unless you're 12.
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wow - Am i Suprised?
Typical apple superiority crap. Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it.
Spence, you can spout your nonsense but the reality is that Saturday, I have to drive 30 miles to Dedham to return the $100 item that is for ipad that doesnt work, I then have to have an apple geek look at my BRAND NEW ipad and tell me what I already know, then drive back to Mansfield to Best Buy to return it. I guess spending my day off to have a slick item is considered cool, but I'm ripped. We have a Wii, 2 DSs, 2 laptops pcs, 2 desktop pcs, and andriod phones. Tons of software and never, not once have I had to call support. I've spent 3+ hrs on the ipad an will spend another 3-4 this weekend. F-that. I dont need to look cool to 16yr olds.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it.

The Apple Marketing and PR force has trained Apple product users to always assume "well it must be something I did wrong. Can't be my Apple product."

If Apple is so great and meticulous with design, how exactly did something so simple like the whole antenna issue occur with the iPhone 4. Then, Apple tried telling people "well you're holding it wrong," just another way of reinforcing the "we are perfect, users are stupid" brand.

Like I said before, the iPod and iPhone were groundbreaking. There is a lot to be commended for being first-to-market with those types of products. However, let's also keep in mind that it's not really the products that are the source of Apple's success, but the way in which they made purchasing music easier and then pigeon-holed users into using iTunes for all their Apple products. The iPod may have just been another mp3 player if it wasn't for iTunes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Like I said before, the iPod and iPhone were groundbreaking. There is a lot to be commended for being first-to-market with those types of products. However, let's also keep in mind that it's not really the products that are the source of Apple's success, but the way in which they made purchasing music easier and then pigeon-holed users into using iTunes for all their Apple products. The iPod may have just been another mp3 player if it wasn't for iTunes.

Like I said, they Apple is focused on the entire user experience.

What you see as being "pigeon-holed" they see as industry transformation. It's funny, people complain about how constraining Apple products are and they end up using them anyway

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Like I said, they Apple is focused on the entire user experience.

What you see as being "pigeon-holed" they see as industry transformation. It's funny, people complain about how constraining Apple products are and they end up using them anyway

-spence

itunes was just stolen from napster

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

Like I said, they Apple is focused on the entire user experience.

What you see as being "pigeon-holed" they see as industry transformation. It's funny, people complain about how constraining Apple products are and they end up using them anyway

-spence

Weird, I thought you said (emphasis mine):

The effort that goes into industrial design is incredible. It's why that Apple product looks better sitting on the table and feels better in your hands...it's part art part machine.

At least with all "the effort that goes into industrial design," the iPhone 4 feels good in my hand before the faulty antennas drop my calls. Definitely some impressive industrial design there.

The same thing is happening to Apple right now with the Android platform that happened to them 20 years ago with Windows. The way Apple stifles a user's options will cause them to fall back, once again, into obscurity. Their stranglehold on how users are able to utilize products like the iPhone and iPad will result in people moving towards a more open platform that provides more flexibility.

Android already holds more smart phone market-share than the iPhone and that's with the somewhat recent release of the 4S. Unless Apple hurries up with a 4G compatible version, the disparity will only grow.

[GregW]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

will cause them to fall back, once again, into obscurity.

I like some Apple products and don't like others.
But , I hope you don't actually believe that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

wow - Am i Suprised?
Typical apple superiority crap. Spence - why is there ALWAYS a line at the apple store in the customer support line? Why when I called apple support, before asking me what my problem was, the phone rep tried to sell me $79 support plan? For something that is supposed to be intuitivie, they sure put a lot into support and apparently people need it. Spence, you can spout your nonsense but the reality is that Saturday, I have to drive 30 miles to Dedham to return the $100 item that is for ipad that doesnt work, I then have to have an apple geek look at my BRAND NEW ipad and tell me what I already know, then drive back to Mansfield to Best Buy to return it. I guess spending my day off to have a slick item is considered cool, but I'm ripped. We have a Wii, 2 DSs, 2 laptops pcs, 2 desktop pcs, and andriod phones. Tons of software and never, not once have I had to call support. I've spent 3+ hrs on the ipad an will spend another 3-4 this weekend. F-that. I dont need to look cool to 16yr olds.

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

-spence

[Raven]

it's just all funny stuff Kev

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

no - google ipad2 speaker/headphone, go to youtube and search. its all over the place. Tons of people are having the issue. Drop $700 on something, yeah, I guess I expect it to work after a few weeks. I also failed to mention the ipod issues I had and had to have a tech come to my house but thats another story

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

you failed to explain why there is ALWAYS a line at the counter. Its because "ease of use" aint to easy. Its like dating a hot chick that is a moron, you dont want to put her down because you want to appear cool but take away her looks your left with a dimwit. Most apple uses put up with the BS so they can remain cool

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

I think they invest a lot in marketing for people like you that think your phone or pc make you hip and creative. Again, I had NO problems with many electronic gadgets over the years, none,

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

one of the biggest apps for ipad and mac is "garage band". Its one of the hip and creative tools apple sells. I have a few expensive recording programs and garage band is very cool, I give apple credit for it. In order to record, you need to plug into it. Your comment demonstrates the real apple population - hip and creative people, that are not hip and creative! 99% of ipad lovers are playing angry birds and browsing the web, try to use it as a tool for actually doing some-----boing, dont work! I guess apple users like you are still amazed you can write a note with your finger, wow, cool.I

-spence

We'll see how Saturday works out. Spence - want to speculate?

[zacs]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're defining your impression of one of the most successful companies in the history of the world off of your ONE bad experience?

I've been to an Apple store for a problem once. My son shattered the LCD on my wife's MacBook. Yes, it wouldn't have happened if I had a Dell, but that's the price/performance tradeoff. I thought the Apple store was silly having to make an appt, deal with the Apple genius etc...but in the end they fixed it at a reasonable price and within a few days. Very happy with the service.

I have no Apple superiority complex. I do think they put a lot more investment in the whole user experience than do PC makers. Some people don't care, fine, do what you want...

And BTW, nobody hooks a guitar up to an iPad, that's just silly

-spence

if it was a PC you could have fixed it yourself & cheaper.

Our 4 PCs are all laptops, and they are all bulletproof stable, start in seconds load in seconds, were 25% the cost of apples, and run any software, use any parts, and in general, kick ass.

My phones are droids. I want to load in my music... no itunes, I just hook it up to my PC and it appears as a new "drive" and i copy the folders over. If I then want to put that music on another copmuter. hook up the phone to that PC, and the drive appears and I put it over.
The phone recognizes you have music on the phone and it is arranged and access very intuitively.

Same with pictures. No itunes, no BS. just hook up the phone and copy over the pics. to whatever PC you want.

all the same apps.

I have used Iphones and Macs. never a IPad. but the droid tablets are pretty sweet too.... And you've got a bunch of companies competing to make droid devices, so they keep getting better faster. COMPETITION MAKES TECHNOLOGY GREAT. Apple has done everything they can to squash any competition. They suck!