Obama is a pr*ck

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not sure what your point is Dad. I don't desire grave harm to Obama, I just think that if he acts like a jerk, it's OK to call him a jerk, and I can still get holy communion this Sunday.

The point of my post is that I don't get why Obama has a reputation for being such a sweetheart, when he constantly throws cheap shots at conservatives who are not in a position to respond. He's a dirty cheap shot artist, he does it al the time.

If you want to turn this into a referendum on my standing in the Catholic church, well I don't see why you'd want to do that, but I'm fine with it. I am a Eucharistic minister in my parish, and am a Catholic in very good standing. I'm far from perfect, but I do not claim to be anything other than the flawed Catholic that I am. I'm a combat vet, I've done things that a liberal would think are much worse than calling Obama a jerk...but none of that puts me outside the bounds of Catholicism.

"respect for the dignity of persons and peoples"

Tell that to Obama. I don't need to hear that, but he does...he's the one who said "I have no idea what happened, but the Cambridge police acted stupidly". When I call him a jerk, it's based on a whole lot of actual, irrefutable evidence.

I guess its all just up to interpretation then....I just see it differently than you do, that's all.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess its all just up to interpretation then....I just see it differently than you do, that's all.

What do you see differently?

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but I am curious, so feel free to spit it out, you won't hurt my feelings.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I guess its all just up to interpretation then....I just see it differently than you do, that's all.

Jim chooses to leverage religion to support his arguments then puts his fingers in his ears and tells you that it doesn't apply if you do the same. It's the Catholic cliche - "Do as I say, not as I do." I'm certainly no perfect Christian but I also don't try to leverage my religion to support my arguments.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Jim chooses to leverage religion to support his arguments then puts his fingers in his ears and tells you that it doesn't apply if you do the same. It's the Catholic cliche - "Do as I say, not as I do." I'm certainly no perfect Christian but I also don't try to leverage my religion to support my arguments.

Johnny, Christianity teaches us to try and turn the other cheek, and to love everyone. I support this concept. Does that mean that I can't say Obama is a jerk, when he repeatedly acts like a jerk? Is there any hypocrisy in that? I don't think so. If you can point out a specific example of hypocrisy on my part, please do. And when did I use religion to support my argument? I'm not in that habit of saying "such-and-such is a good idea, because the Pope says so". For example, I'm not anti-abortion because I happen to be Catholic. That would be putting the cart before the horse. If the Catholic church came out and said abortion was OK, I would find another church. I am Catholic because I find that religion's teachings to be consistent with my personal ethos.

Sorry you have an obvious issue with Catholics. I guess you hung out with some bad ones. The ones I know lead lives that we would all do well to emulate. None are perfect, of course. But their faith motivates them to try and do some really good, unselfish things.

I don't know that I've ever said "do as I say, not as I do". I'm arrogant enough to feel that my actions are the correct actions, almost all the time.

In any event, what this has to do with the obvious intent of my post, I have no idea, but I give up.