He pulled the race card

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Paul, I deal with this stuff at work on occasion. Sexual harrassment is one of those terms that is thrown around pretty loosely these days and employers get scared when they hear it. We've settled cases for low dollar amounts even thought we didn't believe the accuser just because it was cheaper than going to trial. Many cases that are settled are the typical "she said, he said" cases where it's hard to say who's telling the truth. Sometimes both people are telling the truth and it's all about how the other person interpreted it. One of the first things I say to all new managers in the company is that "perception is reality, so always think about what you say and how it can be interpreted".

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there were some interesting posts earlier in your...I mean, the thread that were interesting which you seem to have ignored...but let's just lable him a sexual harasser...I'd like a lot more evidence...yes

I wonder how you would handle this if you were sitting in front of a potential employer and the other applicant for the position leveled non-specific charges from unnamed people and sources that you were unable to really speak about or elaborate on due to arrangements that were made many years ago....tough position to find youself in, I'd think...and the primary is about seeing who has what it takes to be Pres., so we'll see.....some people get better with adversity and some throw in the towel


also...seems to me that this is not the first time that this has occured, I seem to recall a pol adversely affected by accusations made whose "evidence" was included or part of a sealed divorce settlement/ agreement..., I'll remember who it was....


WOW...this is a really weird coincidence...

Subsequent to his withdrawal from the U.S. Senate race in Illinois, Jack Ryan has characterized what happened to him as a "new low for politics in America".[17] According to Ryan, it was unprecedented in American politics for a newspaper to sue for access to sealed custody documents. Ryan opposed unsealing the divorce records of Senator John Kerry during Kerry's race against George W. Bush in 2004, and Kerry's divorce records remained sealed. Ryan has made the following request: "let me be the only person this has happened to. Don’t ask for Ted Kennedy’s. Don’t ask for John McCain’s. Don’t ask for Joe Lieberman’s. Just stop. This is not a good precedent for American society if you really want the best and brightest to run."

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

there were some interesting posts earlier in your...- What are you 12? I mean, the thread that were interesting which you seem to have ignored..- I saw that post. Of course there are he said she said cases. But now there is a 3rd person (w/no settlement). It seems to me that if it happens 1 time, your carefull not to let it happen a 2nd time, never mind a 3rd. .but let's just lable him a sexual harasser...I'd like a lot more evidence...yes. Once Herman takes one of his 3 accusers up on the offer to release her from the settlement, I'm sure you'll have all the proof you'll need. So again, what do you want, video tape?I wonder how you would handle this if you were sitting in front of a potential employer and the other applicant for the position leveled non-specific charges from unnamed people and sources that you were unable to really speak about or elaborate on due to arrangements that were made many years ago....tough position to find youself in, I'd think...and the primary is about seeing who has what it takes to be Pres., so we'll see.....some people get better with adversity and some throw in the towel

But Herman after trying to sidestep the issue has now finally admitted he remembers the incidents - so there is "no unnamed people and sources". He knows what he did, who accused him and what the settlement was.

Stay tuned for the video tape?

[scottw]

you are still assuming quite a bit...but let's apply your relativist thought that "I think both parties are just as bad" to this situation that has you all worked up...

3 women, allegations and a settlement

unless Herman told one to kiss it.....

bit another on the lip and then raped her and then told her to put some ice on that lip...

fondled another who just happened to be grieving over her recently deceased husband...

I'm pretty sure Paula Jones got a settlement...but don't tell anyone on the left that she was a Clinton victim...

On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, but without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal.

and this is just for starters...with Bill

and the worst of the allegations that we can decipher regarding Herman's behavior is a "gesture".....

so I guess if both parties are "just as bad", we can assume that since this couldn't possibly rise to the very low standards already established by a Democrat in High Esteem...neither party should regard this as a negative for a President of the United States...based on your "thinking"...although, honestly...I think that "one" party would find this, if true and egregious problematic for a candidate on either side, while "the other" party would consider it "resume enhancement" and a rallying cry for a candidate on their side but terribly unacceptable behavior from a candidate on the other side

I have no idea, and nor do you know, what the charges are/were, what the terms of the settlement may have been or even who may or may not have specific knowledge of the settlement or what the restrictive terms of any settlement were...

[PaulS]

Ok, your right. I defended Clinton and Cain hasn't received records amount of donations since it happened. Coulter didn't say "liberals are terrified of strong conservative black men" and Limbuagh didn't say "liberals are smearing Cain with the ugliest racial stereotyped".

We do know that 1 victim was given a years salary.

As I said repeatedly, Cain/NRA should release the woman from the confidentially part of the settlement.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok, your right. I defended Clinton and Cain hasn't received records amount of donations since it happened. We do know that 1 victim was given a years salary.

As I said repeatedly, Cain/NRA should release the woman from the confidentially part of the settlement.

I didn't say that you defended Clinton, but you did say that both parties are equally bad, so you must apply the equal standards to both parties, which means, despite what you seem to be frothing at to the mouth claim regarding Cain with very little to go on, to this point it's not likely to rise to the level of many other instances of bad behavior and as such....doesn't deserve the attention being generated...

I agree that it would be good to see all of the facts, I'd like to see Obama's thesis and some other things too...but they are sealed

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

I didn't say that you defended Clinton, but you did say that both parties are equally bad, so you must apply the equal standards to both parties, which means, despite what you seem to be frothing at to the mouth I'm not frothing. I think the conservative reaction has been hilarous. Coulter's claiming liberals are afraid of strong conservative men, Limbaugh claiming liberals are smearing Cain with the ugliest racial stereotypes. Donations to Cain spiking up to record levels, your reaction to the postsclaim regarding Cain with very little to go on, to this point it's not likely to rise to the level of many other instances of bad behavior and as such....doesn't deserve the attention being generated...that is funny also after seeing post here on the actions by Obama and his wife - how many planes they took to Europe, if the dog went, what hotels they stayed, etc. Go back and look, I'm sure you participated in most of them

I agree that it would be good to see all of the facts, I'd like to see Obama's thesis and some other things too...but they are sealed Wanting to see a college thesis? Isn't that petty?

I want to see the settlement - come on Cain, release it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I want to see the settlement - come on Cain, release it.

Just for you, Paul . . . how could he resist?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I want to see the settlement - come on Cain, release it.

sounds like Cain hasn't even seen it as he recused himself, wasn't part of the investigation and was not a signatory on any confidentiality agreement, he claims that if all comes out he will be clear and let's hope it comes out soon although some seem to really enjoy the inuendo and speculation...

maybe it's time for a teary 60 Minutes interview where he says he's caused some pain but will never ever, ever, ever do it again if we elect him...wait...we don't even know if or what he did or who he did or didn't do it to.....these little details are so bothersome


Networks Hit Cain Story 50 Times in Less Than Four Days; Ignored Clinton Scandals By: Scott Whitlock Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:25 PM EDT


Over a period of just three and a half days, NBC, CBS and ABC have developed an insatiable hunger for the Herman Cain sexual harassment story, devoting an incredible 50 stories to the allegations since Monday morning. In contrast, over a similar period these networks mostly ignored far more substantial and serious scandals relating to Bill Clinton.

This pattern continued on Wednesday night and into Thursday as the evening newscasts and morning shows highlighted the story 19 times. On Good Morning America, Brian Ross offered innuendo and slung gossip, recounting, "But behind the scenes, several of the campaigns are still urging reporters to continue to dig, George, saying, there's more to be found in the private life of Herman Cain." [MP3 audio here.]

In comparison, over a similar three-day period these same programs were far less interested in charges against Democrat Bill Clinton. After Paula Jones held a public press conference in February of 1994, there was only one report on her allegations.

Following Kathleen Willey's July 1997 claims of being groped by the President, there were a mere three reports. For Juanita Broaddrick, who came forward in February 1999 to say Clinton raped her, only three stories followed charges appearing in the Wall Street Journal.

It should also be pointed out that all these women offered their names. They weren't anonymous. Additionally, the accusations of assault and rape go far beyond what's being mentioned with the Cain scandal.