love this

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

absolutely stupid. you don't deserve $20.00hr to flip burgers.

What is not stupid is the idea that we need more jobs in this pay range (something like $15-20/hr). Probably in the manufacturing sector.

I'm not siding with the Occupy protests. but I do believe it is/was originally rooted in a frustration not born out of 'laziness' or a sense of entitlement. Maybe thats what dominating it now...

banishing all debt is also stupid. putting in some ways to make the payback of the loans less crippling is not.

but, I have an undergraduate and graduate degrees (neither in sociology or french art BTW) w/ zero debt. parents helped alot w/ undergrad. moral support only during grad.... I've worked in or out of my field to stay (barely) in the black so I'm only an onbserver on the loan issue.

"What is not stupid is the idea that we need more jobs in this pay range (something like $15-20/hr). Probably in the manufacturing sector."

The fact is, consumers are better off because we get our goods manufactured in places where laborers don't earn anywhere near that much. RIROCKHOUND, if I open a factory and pay everyone $20 an hour, I have to include that cost in the price of my product, and no one would be willing to buy it.

If the occupiers' beef is the loss of manufacturing jobs, why is that Wall Street's fault? The world changed, the economy became global. I don't see why that's the fault of conservatives or Wall Street employees, any more than you can blame the weather on those people (oh wait, liberals DO blame the weather on those people...)

"banishing all debt is also stupid. putting in some ways to make the payback of the loans less crippling is not. "

It IS stupid if you hurt the banks who lent the money (including employees and shareholders), and have the right to expect that the money be repaid under terms that borrowers freely agreed to.

This gets at why these occupiers are laughably stupid to me. Many are protesting the cost of college. I agree college is outrageously expensive. When liberals are outraged by the cost of college, they descend on Wall Street (I have no idea whatsoever the connection between Wall Street and college costs). If they have a problem with college costs, MAYBE they'd be better served talking to college presidents. But they don't do that. Because even though colleges set their own costs, colleges are considered sympathetic to the liberal agenda, so instead, they vent their anger at conservative targets, and they don't care that investment bankers have no say in college costs.

It's an absolute joke, how stupid, misinformed, entitled. and misguided they are.

[RIROCKHOUND]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;896219(oh wait, liberals DO blame the weather on those people...)
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1. Correction, climate, not weather. I know some dyed in the woll conservatives who are in this camp as well....

2. I didn't say Occupy was fighting for manufacturing, I was just making a point....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

1. Correction, climate, not weather. I know some dyed in the woll conservatives who are in this camp as well....

2. I didn't say Occupy was fighting for manufacturing, I was just making a point....

Rockhound, I'm with you in that I wish there were more good jobs available, and I wish college wasn't so expensive.

Here is where libs lose me...I don't see how people who work in Manhattan are destroying middle class jobs, and I really don't see how they cause college tuition to increase.

If you have a problem, you address it at the source, not at the most salivating political target. These dummies are being duped by Obama (and unions) into believing that wealthy Wall Street bankers are the enemy, and that doesn't pass the common sense smell test.

The teachers union in my town is hurting my family (in the way of insane property taxes to pay for stupidly rich benefits) way more than anyone on Wall Street. That's fact. It may not serve the liberal narrative, but it's fact nonetheless.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you have a problem, you address it at the source, not at the most salivating political target.

Interesting comment from someone who spins every ill of the country on liberals.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Interesting comment from someone who spins every ill of the country on liberals.

Johnny, you doubted the opinion the Tea Partiers are less crazy than occupiers. I responded with FACTS, irrefutable facts. You respond to that by saying that I blame libs for everything?

I expect more from you, you're usually more thoughtful than that. Can you name one thing I've blamed liberals for, that's as asinine as blaming Wall Street for college costs?

I'm bald. If I blamed liberals for that, and I stormed the ACLU headquarters to protest my baldness, THAT would be no less crazy that what these morons are doing.