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JohnR · 10-25-2011, 05:23 PM

Some of the most productive workers in the world (Germans) couldn't make socialism work but these folks will.

Hey - look at the 2:45 mark, Eben stops himself just in time from picking his nose on video

striperman36 · 10-25-2011, 06:26 PM

Elizabeth Warren says she ‘created intellectual foundation’ for Occupy Wall Street movement - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

Blame Warren. she claims it's all her intellectualism, that started it.

I think she and Al Gore started youtube.

scottw · 10-26-2011, 05:35 AM

the "core princilpes" of the Tea Party were demonstrated as they handed out pocket Constitutions, called for a return to the "core principles" that this country was founded on, held permitted rallys and cleaned up after themselves and slept in hotels rather than in the streets and parks of America.....

the "core principles" of this mob are on full display and unlike many of the claims that were made against the Tea Party which could not be substantiated, these jokers are happy to provide plenty of audio and video as evidence...

the former was/is calling for a rebuilding of America based adherence to it's founding principles

the latter is calling for(and has been for a long time) a destruction of America as founded and "fundamental transformation".....Obama just hasn't moved fast enough for their liking and they probably fear that they are running out of time.....

not that hard to understand...........

and don't call them socialists

interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people

RIROCKHOUND · 10-26-2011, 06:43 AM

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interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people

Actually, I think most are lining up in support of their right to protest. I also think there is a lot of similarity between the grabbing of soundbites from crackpots or extremists on both sides to paint one as racist and the other as violent stoners (oxymoron?)

I'm pretty ambivalent on these Occupy protests.
do I think there a bunch of people there for the wrong reasons? Absolutely.

Do I think their message is clouded and multi-stung depending on which person you talk to.
Yup.

Are there a lot of them who are really just frustrated, and don't want the world handed to them, but just want to see more opportunities for jobs and careers? I think so. Will these protests go to that end? Probably not.

scottw · 10-26-2011, 06:53 AM

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Actually, I think most are lining up in support of their right to protest.

is that what they are doing?

RIROCKHOUND · 10-26-2011, 07:01 AM

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is that what they are doing?

I think the people bringing up the tea party are are bringing them up in support of their rights to protest

clarified...

scottw · 10-26-2011, 07:19 AM

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I think the people bringing up the tea party are are bringing them up in support of their rights to protest

clarified...

they got permits, they showed up, they cleaned up after themselves and they left...rights + responsibilities

these peole have shown up, overstayed their time and are making a mess and harassing the people that also have a "right" to the various locations

no comparison...sorry

I heard a long interview with two of the Ocupy Prov. organizers the other day who had little to offer with regard to what exactly their purpose was "spokesmen"........ but the money quote from them was..."we decided that we could sit in our office all day and complain that grants and funding weren't coming in...or we could get out there and do something"...so now they are camped out on the street with a bunch of losers ...

Jim in CT · 10-26-2011, 07:06 AM

Scott W nailed it. The Tea Party and this group of anarchists, could not have LESS in common.

There were zero cases of mass arrests at Tea Party rallies. The OWS group is nothing but a feral, radical, anarchist, marxist mob. Every single occupation is a violation of local laws, where they are daring elected officials to enforce duly constituted laws.

On a positive note, they are also doing more damage to Obama than anyone else could, because they are forcing him to side with them, which will only alienate Obama from the moderates he needs (and ain't gettin') to win in 2012.

From where I sit, I'm lovin' what I see...

PaulS · 10-26-2011, 07:50 AM

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I also think there is a lot of similarity between the grabbing of soundbites from crackpots or extremists on both sides to paint one as racist and the other as violent stoners (oxymoron?)

That is not how RIJimmy sees it. As he repeatedly does, if he can find a video or a report of someone from the party he hates, he states it is indicitive of that whole party.

The demographics seem much different b/t the 2 groups. The teabaggers where much older folks so comparing income levels is laughable.

RIJIMMY · 10-26-2011, 08:35 AM

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That is not how RIJimmy sees it. As he repeatedly does, if he can find a video or a report of someone from the party he hates, he states it is indicitive of that whole party.

The demographics seem much different b/t the 2 groups. The teabaggers where much older folks so comparing income levels is laughable.

Paul, I research, I listen, I learn. Nice try but I have read everything I could on the occupy movement, liberal talk radio, you name it. Do some searching and you will clearly see that the majority are people who are looking for handouts. The web is FULL of these idiots. FULL. The demographics ARE NOTthat different from the tea party- many occupy people are 30s, 40s, 50s. The difference in income levels is that tea parties busted their butts to make money, occupy people took student loans to study sociology, french art and now cant afford to pay the loans. Waa, waa, waa.

Jim in CT · 10-26-2011, 07:51 AM

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but just want to see more opportunities for jobs and careers? I think so. .

And how does storming the Brooklyn Bridge, throwing a brick through a bank window, or urinating in a public park, increase one's chances of landing a productive job, exactly?

The demands I see include a $20/hr minimum wage, and immediate forgiveness of all debt (student loans, credit card debt, mortgage debt).

Do you know what the unemployment rate would be if the minimum wage was $20 an hour?

Their demands can be summed up thusly...GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!

PaulS · 10-26-2011, 08:28 AM

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Their demands can be summed up thusly...GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!

And the teabaggers demands can be summed up in "I don't want to pay any taxes for anything or want any of my taxes to go to support anyone less fortunate than myself"

2 extremes which don't represent the vast majority of the population.

Jim in CT · 10-26-2011, 08:38 AM

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And the teabaggers demands can be summed up in "I don't want to pay any taxes for anything or want any of my taxes to go to support anyone less fortunate than myself"

2 extremes which don't represent the vast majority of the population.

PaulS, the demands I posted are actual demands from the occupiers websites. That is irrefutable FACT. A $20/hr minimum wage and elimination of all debt. I'm not making that up, that's what they say they want.

You respond by making up radical jibberish (not wanting to pay any taxes) that are positions that have never been endorsed by the Tea Party. Go ahead PaulS, you post a link showing where any official Tea Party group said they don't want to pay any taxes.

The Tea Party does NOT want a 0% tax rate. We want responsible, sustainable tax rates. If that sounds radical to you, so be it. But don't compare that position to the notion that we can eliminate all debt with the push of a button.

I'm sorry if the actual facts make liberals seem deranged, but don't take that out on Tea partiers.

You may also be interested to know (though I doubt it) that conservatives have been shown to actually be more generous than liberals (more likely to donate time to charity, more likely to give $$ to charity, more likely to give blood). This makes sense to me, as conservatives are more religious, as a group, than liberals. The study was called Who Really Cares, and here is an analysis of it from the New York Times, which even though it's a liberal rag, could not refute it.

Op-Ed Columnist - Bleeding Heart Tightwads - NYTimes.com

RIJIMMY · 10-26-2011, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw

the "core princilpes" of the Tea Party were demonstrated as they handed out pocket Constitutions, called for a return to the "core principles" that this country was founded on, held permitted rallys and cleaned up after themselves and slept in hotels rather than in the streets and parks of America.....

the "core principles" of this mob are on full display and unlike many of the claims that were made against the Tea Party which could not be substantiated, these jokers are happy to provide plenty of audio and video as evidence...

the former was/is calling for a rebuilding of America based adherence to it's founding principles

the latter is calling for(and has been for a long time) a destruction of America as founded and "fundamental transformation".....Obama just hasn't moved fast enough for their liking and they probably fear that they are running out of time.....

not that hard to understand...........

and don't call them socialists

interesting to note those that had nothing but disdain and venom for the Tea Party....and who is now lining up in support of these people

johnny, scott sums it up. The wacko percentage is much higher with this bunch. As analysis has proved the tea party is made up of WORKING people....ie taxpayers. Id love to see the analysis of incomes and taxes paid by this crew.
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JohnnyD · 10-26-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

johnny, scott sums it up. The wacko percentage is much higher with this bunch. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Proven by what? News coverage?

Like Bryan said, it depends on who you talk to, just as it did with the Tea Party. One difference though is that I haven't seen any reports of the Occupy folks calling for the death of the president.

Jim in CT · 10-26-2011, 10:53 AM

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Proven by what? News coverage?

Like Bryan said, it depends on who you talk to, just as it did with the Tea Party. One difference though is that I haven't seen any reports of the Occupy folks calling for the death of the president.

How's this for proof. Tea Partiers didn't get arrested by the hundreds for storming the Brooklyn Bridge. They didn't get arrested by the hunreds for refusing to leave public parks, private places of business, etc.

The tea party thinks spending needs to be reined in, so they are electing politicians who share this view.

These anarchist kooks say they want a $20 federal minimum wage and cheaper college, and to get that, they descend on Wall Street of all places? That seems rational to you?

And by the way, most of these clowns have Smartphones and sip Starbucks coffee, so I'm not buying their angst to begin with.

RIJIMMY · 10-26-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Proven by what? News coverage?

Like Bryan said, it depends on who you talk to, just as it did with the Tea Party. One difference though is that I haven't seen any reports of the Occupy folks calling for the death of the president.

I posted direct quotes FROM THEIR WEBSITE. Ignore the obvious, it works for you.