We're Just Different People

[ecduzitgood]

I tend to go to extremes and can say first hand if you work too hard or too well you get shunned. No body wants someone around who makes them look bad, so guys like me end up getting the shaft. Knowing someone gets your foot in doors not open to others and is a major factor in my eyes. Luck is also involved, although people who have it don't recognize it. Being in the right place at the right time or being born into the right family are what I would consider luck.

[Sweetwater]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I tend to go to extremes and can say first hand if you work too hard or too well you get shunned. No body wants someone around who makes them look bad, so guys like me end up getting the shaft. Knowing someone gets your foot in doors not open to others and is a major factor in my eyes. Luck is also involved, although people who have it don't recognize it. Being in the right place at the right time or being born into the right family are what I would consider luck.

Well, I don't know you personally. But if you work in a job that rewards laziness and underproduction and shuns those who work hard and do well, I'd guess you either have a union job or a government job.

I hope this isn't taken with offense.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by Sweetwater

Well, I don't know you personally. But if you work in a job that rewards laziness and underproduction and shuns those who work hard and do well, I'd guess you either have a union job or a government job.

I hope this isn't taken with offense.

I did , but when the president of the Union tells you "$25 of crack goes a long way in Brockton" and you ask him to clarify what he is saying and he tells you "you are making people look bad and you could get conked on the head" you walk away. Especially after the police interview you and photograph your truck for a supposed hit and run in the parking lot that your co-workers and the witness identify your truck has the vehicle responsible on your last day of probation. Luckily I knew the cop and he knew me well enough to see through what was happening.
Then when working private sector jobs and getting harassed and called a brown noser all the time because you take your job seriously you tend to just say F-it I give up and choose to live a simple life without much, yeah I loose. Good thing my family owned a business (union shop) where I learned my work ethic (always being watched and set an example) which they sold so I have a trust fund for my future.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I tend to go to extremes and can say first hand if you work too hard or too well you get shunned. No body wants someone around who makes them look bad, so guys like me end up getting the shaft. Knowing someone gets your foot in doors not open to others and is a major factor in my eyes. Luck is also involved, although people who have it don't recognize it. Being in the right place at the right time or being born into the right family are what I would consider luck.

I also know of what you speak first hand. That's why I work non-union now. Union's create lazy, entitled workers.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

. Union's create lazy, entitled workers.

I don't think it creates them....I think it enables them. There are a lot of union workers who do put in a solid days work for a solid days pay....but if someone is a Lazy POS by nature...they seem to thrive in a union environment....where in the private sector they wouldn't last very long.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't think it creates them....I think it enables them. There are a lot of union workers who do put in a solid days work for a solid days pay....but if someone is a Lazy POS by nature...they seem to thrive in a union environment....where in the private sector they wouldn't last very long.

Point well made.
However, hardworkers can be forced to slow down so as not to make others look bad. That would not stand in the private sector...not in this economy

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by buckman

Point well made.
However, hardworkers can be forced to slow down so as not to make others look bad. That would not stand in the private sector...not in this economy

I am pretty mixed on the union / non-union thing but I have been personally told by some union members I worked with ( I was not union) to slow down as I was making them look bad. I was too ambitious.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I am pretty mixed on the union / non-union thing but I have been personally told by some union members I worked with ( I was not union) to slow down as I was making them look bad. I was too ambitious.

See, I when I worked for GE I was a member of IBEW....the majority of us came to work and worked....we did everything we were supposed too, Honest day's work for Honest Day's pay....but out of the 20-something of us in the shop there were 2 that were worthless POS's....Boss couldn't get rid of them, that's where the Unions are the problem...at least from my experience.

I'm seeing the same thing in the government.....9 of us in my code....8 working....1 worthless POS.....He'll never get tossed.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I am pretty mixed on the union / non-union thing but I have been personally told by some union members I worked with ( I was not union) to slow down as I was making them look bad. I was too ambitious.

You'll get this in the private sector as well, although it's usually not as obvious. I've been told by many people the reason some don't want to pass me the ball is because they're afraid I'll run all the way down the field

-spence