Immigration fact.

[zimmy]

Alls (sic) I was trying to say is that the cute Obama pics could have had some other presidents with them. The numbers in the article I posted were department of homeland security #'s. I guess to some people that is spin. Not sure what the source ICE pdf. is in buckmans post. Never mind, found it is Immigrations and Customs.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

We have illegal aliens serving in the military, would you be happy if they were deported as well?

-spence

Source?

Originally Posted by zimmy

...Never mind, found it is Immigrations and Customs.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement

Let me help you with that last part

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Source?

No idea on the number but I'd think it would be naive to think they aren't serving...

Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

Military Illegals

The real question though, why wouldn't you prioritize an illegal adding value to the country (serving, studying in college, working) behind a criminal?

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

No idea on the number but I'd think it would be naive to think they aren't serving...

Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

Military Illegals

The real question though, why wouldn't you prioritize an illegal adding value to the country (serving, studying in college, working) behind a criminal?

-spence

An article from 2004 Spence? And one that quotes the subject of the other article from 2003?

And even (way back then) in the article it states that "some" of the people that ended as unknown on the citizenship question may have been illegals.

There probably are some illegals still in today but likely a tiny-tiny percentage.

But thank you for your (non) links as I looked up a bit and ran across this story when searching for something in the past year: Former illegal immigrant follows path to military service

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

The real question though, why wouldn't you prioritize an illegal adding value to the country (serving, studying in college, working) behind a criminal?

-spence

Why would I prioritize someone that violated a law or is here as a result of violating a law?

The real question though is why is OK for some laws to be broken without consequence? Why is it right to pick and chose which ones to ignore?

We can't chose which laws we will not break and which ones we will not look the other way.

If we chose to break a law we have to be prepared for the consequences. When I break the speed limit I must pay a fine when caught. However if I am driving recklessly I may lose my license or go to jail.

If I kill or injure someone - breaking a law - I have a penalty to pay.

When immigrants have come here illegally, they have broken a law.

I don't always like it. But the law is the law.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by JohnR

When immigrants have come here illegally, they have broken a law.
I don't always like it. But the law is the law.

1. Close the border. If that means a fence, go for it.
2. What do you do w. the 11 mil? already here? Deport the criminals, but can we really round up and deport 11million?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

1. Close the border. If that means a fence, go for it.
2. What do you do w. the 11 mil? already here? Deport the criminals, but can we really round up and deport 11million?

Don't know Brian. What do we do?

Do we continue to ignore it so that the issue goes from 2 million to 4 to 12 million? Or do we wait until it is 16 million or 24 million?

We can't discuss with intent to resolve it because the politicians don't want to discuss something that might jeopardize their re-elections - in the meantime each side panders to their base by only pushing their position - in order to get re-elected.

Do we make a system that would require the only "amnesty" would be those that are willing to go home and apply through the front door?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Don't know Brian. What do we do?

Do we continue to ignore it so that the issue goes from 2 million to 4 to 12 million? Or do we wait until it is 16 million or 24 million?

We can't discuss with intent to resolve it because the politicians don't want to discuss something that might jeopardize their re-elections - in the meantime each side panders to their base by only pushing their position - in order to get re-elected.

Do we make a system that would require the only "amnesty" would be those that are willing to go home and apply through the front door?

I'm thinking in terms of number$. What will it cost to find, deport and then let them reapply. Is it even logistically feasible.

Some way of streamlining applying for those already here needs to be developed, with priority given to those who are contributing (military service, getting an education etc..). If you don't qualify (i.e. convicted of a crime) home you go.