GOP Debate

[Rob Rockcrawler]

Bachmann isnt going to be going far. She is hyped up, better than Palin by a bit i think, but she would be a disaster for the country.

[scottw]

this is hilarious...the greatest, smartest, cleanest and most articulate President ever (ready to be chiseled out on Mt Rushmore) is an ACTUAL disaster but some are claiming to be able to predict which candidate will be a "worse?" disaster for this country?

Spence supported Joe Biden last time around and continues to support everything that the current disaster does...Spence you have no business referring to any candidate as a dope given your track record

do I need to relist the roll of dem candidates from the last presidential election?

how about just the top 3.....

John Edwards.....that would have been great fun...huh?
Hillary...apparently the current focus of buyers remorse ridden dem voters
Obama....the only guy that can make the Carter presidency look good

[justplugit]

First impressions:
Newht- sharpest tack in the room, would kill Obama in any debate.
Bachman-determined and wouldn't waiver from her consevative agenda.
Romney-typical politician,promise ya everything and give ya Arpege.
Paul- Paul is Paul
Cain-(sp?) common sense guy.
The others- no real impression.

Looking forward to Perry as I know nothing about him.
Juliani maybe close to running, that imho,would be good

[JohnR]

Guess we are up for an expensive unimpressive ride. The current occupant of the WH has been unimpressive as well.

[Fly Rod]

Should have at least watched the first half of the Patriots, instead of them jackels behind a podium.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

First impressions:
Newht- sharpest tack in the room, would kill Obama in any debate.

YOU NAILED IT.

Gingrich is a genius, with actual ideas that address actual problems, and he can explain why his solution has worked in the past, and why the liberal alternative has always been a disaster.

I would pay anything to see Gingrich debate Obama. Anything. It would be an absolute bloodbath. Because not only is Gingrich smarter than Obama, he's not afraid to take off the gloves.

Sadly, while I believe Gingrich would do the best job, he has very little chance to win the primary, and less of a chance in the general election...too much historical baggage. Which is too bad, because IMHO, he is exactly what we need.

In 2008, I was the first person to predict that Palin would be the VP choice. For the last year, I have been saying that Marco Rubio would be the VP choice for 2012, if he was elected US Senator from FL, which he was. Rubio is the most important Republican in the country right now...he gives the GOP a shot at Florida (which will be a key state in 2012), he gives them Catholics, he placates the tea party (very important to get them energized), and MOST IMPORTANT, he gives them a shot at the Hispanic vote (Rubio is Cuban-American). He is the GOP's ticket for the next decade.

If Hispanics start voting for the GOP, you watch how fast liberals change their tune on immigration. In the next nanosecond, liberals will build a one-way, high-speed train to the Mexican border, and stick anyone with brown skin on that train...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

YOU NAILED IT.

Gingrich is a genius, with actual ideas that address actual problems, and he can explain why his solution has worked in the past, and why the liberal alternative has always been a disaster.

I would pay anything to see Gingrich debate Obama. Anything. It would be an absolute bloodbath. Because not only is Gingrich smarter than Obama, he's not afraid to take off the gloves.

Sadly, while I believe Gingrich would do the best job, he has very little chance to win the primary, and less of a chance in the general election...too much historical baggage. Which is too bad, because IMHO, he is exactly what we need.

He is smarter and surely better but he can screw up too and I think we can do better. But he would wreck O in a debate.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In 2008, I was the first person to predict that Palin would be the VP choice.

When in 2008 and where is your proof ?

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He is smarter and surely better but he can screw up too and I think we can do better. But he would wreck O in a debate.

I think O could hold his own, granted McCain wasn't a great debater but he didn't really give Obama much of a challenge.

Newt has a deep knowledge of history he draws from to make parallels. He's also often very selective and manipulative. Perhaps that's why Jim thinks... "liberal alternatives always been a disaster."

The biggest factor against Newt in a debate is that he often comes off as smarmy. People really don't like him all that much.

Additionally, Newt relies on well thought out angles to make his points, but often misses the heart of what people really care about.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Spence, on Monday when the market was tanking, Obama gave a speech where he basically said "we're Americans, and now that I am your leader, we can get through this". After his speech, the DOW dropped another 400 points. If Gingrich gave that speech, he would have outlined a specific plan to get us out of this (with SPECIFIC DETAILS), and the market would have gone up 500 points. Obama's life experience has been academic, theoretical discussions. Gingrich spends his time figuring out specifically, what solutions work, and which do not.

"Perhaps that's why Jim thinks... "liberal alternatives always been a disaster."

Spence, want to know why I think liberalism has been a disaster? Look at the economic state of every place that has embraced liberalism...Massachusetts, Connecticut, California, Illinois, Europe...Come down to CT, and drive around the liberal Utopias of Hartford and Bridgeport, see just how well liberal policies are faring...

The red states are adding jobs. The blue states are bleeding jobs and will soon face bankruptcy.

When I say liberalism is a disaster, I DO NOT say that because that's what I'm rooting for. I say that because when you look at the current (or historical) economic landscape with an open mind, there simply is no other conclusion.

HOW MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED?

If Sean Penn said that 2 plus 2 equals 12, you'd believe it. There's simply no talking to you people, because you do not respond to fact, only to ideology...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

I think O could hold his own, granted McCain wasn't a great debater but he didn't really give Obama much of a challenge.

Newt has a deep knowledge of history he draws from to make parallels. He's also often very selective and manipulative. Perhaps that's why Jim thinks... "liberal alternatives always been a disaster."

The biggest factor against Newt in a debate is that he often comes off as smarmy. People really don't like him all that much.

Additionally, Newt relies on well thought out angles to make his points, but often misses the heart of what people really care about.

-spence

I agree he is "smarmy", prolly not well liked and does have a deep knowledge of history.
But what does Obama have a deep knowledge of?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

First impressions:
Newht- sharpest tack in the room, would kill Obama in any debate.
Bachman-determined and wouldn't waiver from her consevative agenda.
Romney-typical politician,promise ya everything and give ya Arpege.
Paul- Paul is Paul
Cain-(sp?) common sense guy.
The others- no real impression.

Looking forward to Perry as I know nothing about him.
Juliani maybe close to running, that imho,would be good

Paul might have been Paul... but the nation seemed to like him:
Iowa GOP Debate - Topix

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Paul might have been Paul... but the nation seemed to like him:
Iowa GOP Debate - Topix

That is amazing JD, and the fact that Romney won by only a few points
over Bachman.
I would say that with Paul showing such a high rating the American people must
like the idea of a drastic change of the current Govt.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

That is amazing JD, and the fact that Romney won by only a few points
over Bachman.
I would say that with Paul showing such a high rating the American people must
like the idea of a drastic change of the current Govt.

It's more a reflection of the straw poll voters in IA...nearly always this way and is certainly not a predictor of the Republicans nationwide.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's more a reflection of the straw poll voters in IA...nearly always this way and is certainly not a predictor of the Republicans nationwide.

-spence

Spence is 100% correct. Some fringe Republicans have won in Iowa before, and then quickly dropped out of the race. The nominee will be Romney, Perry, with Bachman a slight (very slight) possibility.