Another Recession????

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by MirrorNebe

we are in a depression. Dont believe what anyone else says. Our politicians sold your dollars for votes and lobbyists at the expense of the middle class American Small Business owner and to the gain of re-election With out our voice, we are nothing more than a jellyfish laying on the beach at 4 AM.. it can still sting you, but it isnt going anywhere.. The only question is will the tide come in to save it before the rising sun cooks it.

Nebe, now if you would dare step outside your left leaning carapace and join me in the middle (yes, I think I'm in the middle ) you can safely blame everyone from atop the high soapbox.

Corporate Greed
Politicians
Lobbyists
Congress
Welfare
Bureaucrats
Tax & Spend
Over Regulation
Nanny-State
The Switch from Question Authority to Reject Authority
Congress
Obama
China
Wall Street
Pelosi
Frank
Obama
Boehner
Bu#^&#^&#^&#^&ler
Congress
Jimmy Carter

[Nebe]

Actually, the biggest culprit is the american consumer. They chose to buy foreign products.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Actually, the biggest culprit is the american consumer. They chose to buy foreign products.

How about the globalists that made it all possible?

The simple truth is we can always argue and counter argue from each side and rearrange the deck chairs while Rome burns (love mixing metaphors). Or we can recognize all of the problems and attack them.

But Politicians are so deep fellatiating their base (sounds worse than I meant ) that we miss what we really need to do:

Cut costs
Create Jobs
Raise Revenue

We're screwed because we CANNOT afford to spend like we've been spending, yet slashing the economy so much will possibly contract it further. On the other hand, if you took every last dime of every "Corporate Jet Owner" , you couldn't FIX the problem. If you took every last dime of those making over 1 million, you couldn't FIX the problem.

[Stewie]

The last forty years' prosperity has been based on Technology, a lot of it a by product of the Apollo Project. Have faith in your children. They'll come up with something for sure. This is America for Pete's sake.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

How about the globalists that made it all possible?

I don't think you can blame globalism, it's a mega trend that isn't stoppable. You can either fight it or make it work for you.

But Politicians are so deep fellatiating their base (sounds worse than I meant ) that we miss what we really need to do:

Cut costs
Create Jobs
Raise Revenue

Politicians don't create jobs

But it sounds like you advocate a balanced approach, like most pragmatic people.

We're screwed because we CANNOT afford to spend like we've been spending, yet slashing the economy so much will possibly contract it further. On the other hand, if you took every last dime of every "Corporate Jet Owner" , you couldn't FIX the problem. If you took every last dime of those making over 1 million, you couldn't FIX the problem.

That's why Alan Simpson said you have to hit every cow. Entitlements, pork, international aid, corporations, wealthy etc... make everyone feel a little pain and you can solve the problem.

Real issue is that corporate America runs Washington. Lord, now I sound like Ralph Nader

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

That's why Alan Simpson said you have to hit every cow. Entitlements, pork, international aid, corporations, wealthy etc... make everyone feel a little pain and you can solve the problem.

-spence

you've mentioned Simpson a couple of times as though he may have some credability with you....

August 11, 2011 4:00 A.M.

Alan Simpson on Obama’s Leadership
The president needs to put forth a budget plan.

As a former senator who served under four different presidents, Alan Simpson (R., Wyo.) is perplexed at the way the current one has “led” since taking office in 2009. “One thing that’s puzzled me from the beginning of this administration is that, on every major piece of legislation, he’s said, ‘Let Congress decide,’” Simpson tells National Review Online. “With every other administration in the past, whether it was Carter, Reagan, Bush, or Clinton, whenever they wanted to do something big, those of us in Congress would always say, ‘Okay, where’s the White House bill?’ They always had a plan to show us.”

Unfortunately, Simpson argues, President Obama has failed to adopt this approach, opting to let Congress take the lead on legislative matters, even those of paramount importance, such as health care, the federal budget, and — most recently — the debt ceiling. “I’ve never seen that done before,” he says. “Congress is never going to hammer out a sensible bill if they don’t know what the White House is going to do with it.”

Only House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), he points out, has had the gumption to step forward with a plan to “slay the biggest mastodon in the kitchen” by tackling the biggest driver of the national debt — entitlement spending — and face the inevitable “howling, shrieking, moaning” of the political class. “The president will say that he has a plan,” Simpson says. “He gave a speech and said he wanted to cut $4 trillion, which is a minimal number, but then he’s not going to touch Social Security and Medicare, for crying out loud.” That just won’t cut it.

The same goes for the AARP and others who refuse to acknowledge the need for meaningful entitlement reform. “If you can’t figure out where these programs are going, you’re off your rocker,” he says. And contrary to what most Democrats like to argue, the new health-care law did nothing to improve their long-term outlook. “You can call it Obamacare, or Elvis Presley care, or whatever you want to call it, it can’t work. It can’t sustain itself.”

Simpson says the Tea Party has been “a force” in the deficit debate, but suggests their role is being over-hyped by the media. “There are some very good people in the Tea Party, and there are just as many screwballs, lightweights, and boobs as there are in the Democratic and Republican parties,” he says. “They get all the play because the media is only interested in conflict, confusion, and so on.”



Funny, he didn't mention the Tea Party as an obstacle...he does chastise Grover Nordquist and cite him as an obstacle with regard to tax reform but in terms of calling for the necessary cuts on a scale that he seems to believe are needed...the Tea Party Terrorists is the only group out there that I'm aware of actually demanding these large cuts ...

[striperman36]

yep, everyone supposedly who speaks for us,