Wheres the Birth Certificate

[PaulS]

The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

[JoeBass]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Now that's funny!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Or if his Parents had just named him Bob

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Ooops - could this be a race card about to throw down? Yeh. cause THATS the reason. Where did I put that "yawn" smiley.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ooops - could this be a race card about to throw down? Yeh. cause THATS the reason. Where did I put that "yawn" smiley.

Without the race factor there likely is no Birther movement. I'm not sure how any rational thinking person could ignore this.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Without the race factor there likely is no Birther movement. I'm not sure how any rational thinking person could ignore this.

-spence

What? For real? Because he's black, half black, or part white? YGTBSM.

That's like saying the Truthers are prejudiced against people that fly black helicopters - maybe they are racist for painting helicopters black (bad attempt at sarcastic humor).

I'm sure there are people that cling to this out of racism, just as there are people that voted for him because he's black, half black, or part white. There are people that voted for him solely because they hoped it would move the country beyond the racial demons that have been deteriorating over the past decades.

A lot of people hold the presidential qualification to a very high standard which allows some people wittingly and unwittingly to hijack that. But that's OK, keep telling yourself its because of race.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm sure there are people that cling to this out of racism, just as there are people that voted for him because he's black, half black, or part white. There are people that voted for him solely because they hoped it would move the country beyond the racial demons that have been deteriorating over the past decades.

The issue here doesn't have anything to do with someone who would vote for Obama simply because he's black...I'm sure there were many but hell, a lot of people just close their eyes and make a mark.

This is about a sustained effort to undermine his legitimacy because he is a black guy with an Islamic name. A quite effective effort in fact to "connect the dots"...Obama is not like "us", therefor his agenda can't logically serve the American interest.

That a lot of Obama policy has been supported by Republicans over the years doesn't seem to be particularity of interest to the Birthers or those Republicans riding on their coat tails.

A lot of people hold the presidential qualification to a very high standard which allows some people wittingly and unwittingly to hijack that. But that's OK, keep telling yourself its because of race.

Obama's birth records have been around since 1961, and validated in 2008 or perhaps even earlier. This issue didn't have legs because of "presidential qualification"...the evidence has always been there that he's qualified to be POTUS.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

The issue here doesn't have anything to do with someone who would vote for Obama simply because he's black...I'm sure there were many but hell, a lot of people just close their eyes and make a mark.

This is about a sustained effort to undermine his legitimacy because he is a black guy with an Islamic name. A quite effective effort in fact to "connect the dots"...Obama is not like "us", therefor his agenda can't logically serve the American interest.

That a lot of Obama policy has been supported by Republicans over the years doesn't seem to be particularity of interest to the Birthers or those Republicans riding on their coat tails.

Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

P.S. - Obama's mother is a born US citizen, what else do we need to know?

Originally Posted by spence

Obama's birth records have been around since 1961,

Which records

(that was in jest)

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

I don't think for a min. all repubs. or teabaggers are racists. However, I think the vast majority of racists are teabaggers.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

P.S. - Obama's mother is a born US citizen, what else do we need to know?

While I've called out the racist elements I think gravitate towards the Tea Party I don't believe I've ever called the entire movement racist, rather I've asserted they need to own what's spread in their name...and a lot of Tea Party leadership have promoted these and other ideas along the same vein.

Regarding the Birther movement, it seems by the polls that this has infected moderate voters to some degree. While is sure seems like a crackpot theory to me a hell of a lot of Americans have responded to the constant drumbeat by the conspiracy theorists and Right Wing media. Why? I'd go back to the fear of the "other" and hence the race card...

I'm not aware of any other tin foil hat issue gaining so much public support in recent history.

-spence