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Old 02-12-2011, 05:41 AM   #1
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Agree, as I said earlier...headed in the right direction.

Long row to hoe, but the pieces look to be there for something good.

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the only organized opposition currently is the Muslim Brotherhood....
is that one of the pieces that you are referring to?


Bakhtiar dissolved SAVAK, freed political prisoners, ordered the army to allow mass demonstrations, promised free elections and [B]invited Khomeinists and other revolutionaries into a government of "national unity".[/B](sound familiar?)

again..NY Times two days ago,,
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“In the process many have formed some unusual bonds that reflect the singularly nonideological character of the Egyptian youth revolt, which encompasses liberals, socialists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.


Other opposition groups[50] included constitutionalist liberals — the democratic, reformist Islamic Freedom Movement of Iran, headed by Mehdi Bazargan, and the more secular National Front. They were based in the urban middle class, and wanted the Shah to adhere to the Iranian Constitution of 1906 rather than to replace him with a theocracy,[51] but lacked the cohesion and organization of Khomeini's forces.[52] [COLOR="blue"]([B]who, like the MB were organized and ready to assume control when they took their place in the "unity government[/B]")[/COLOR]( I'm guessing the MB will be well funded and doing a lot of high profile charity work until the elections)

not predicting which way it will go and I'm certainly praying for a US friendly democracy or at least the beginnings perhaps modeled and inspired by Iraq rather than a hostile Islamist state but history seems to be repeating itself....trends in the area as a whole are not encouraging

don't know how many actual protesters there were but there are 7 million people in Cairo and just over 80 million in Egypt hoeing rows

maybe Obama is secretly behind the scenes directing the Egyptian Military and the events(at least that's what the BO loyalist would love to imply) and has everything under control...and he and his people seeming clueless and on completely different pages is just a smoke screen...yeah, that's a good one...I smell another nobel peace prize

http://www.yalibnan.com/2011/02/09/m...-waiting-game/
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In Uncertain Egypt, a Few Certainties

February 11, 2011 3:59 P.M. By Amir Taheri

However, it is clear to me that change in Tunisia was ultimately imposed by the army. In Egypt, on the other hand, the army tried to prop up Mubarak until the last minute. It was the popular uprising that forced Mubarak out. This means that we have just witnessed a genuinely historic moment: the first time an Arab despot has been forced out by a mass movement.

The second certainty is that the Obama administration discredited itself by praising Mubarak to the skies before trying to dictate his departure. That sorry exercise revealed the weakness of the United States while casting it as a fickle friend that might stab you in the back.

The third certainty is that radical anti-democratic forces are already preparing to ambush the new Egypt. The first move in that direction came from Syria last night when its official television station announced “the end of the Camp David peace” with Israel and urged the adoption of a new strategy to “face the Zionist foe.” Iran, though shaken by an Egyptian uprising that echoed its own pro-democracy movement in 2009, is developing a similar theme.
we should send Nancy Pelosi to Syria again to get that little situation squared away

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Old 02-12-2011, 11:07 AM   #2
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The end of the beginning I 'spect. I hope they can find a way to pull together a workable, peace wanting democratic system.

In other notes: El Baradei said they could have a functioning government in a year yet the Muslim Brotherhood says it will take less time - wonders.

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Old 02-12-2011, 11:21 AM   #3
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The end of the beginning I 'spect. I hope they can find a way to pull together a workable, peace wanting democratic system.
Agree, but like I said before, Egypt seems to have a decent set of piece parts to make this work...it's certainly not going to be easy for the military to maintain enough control while reforms take place. Hopefully some strong leadership can rise up and keep the people focused on a common vision.

I think we should not be overly optimistic though, there's always the possibility of a radical Islamist take over, Sharia, the Caliphate and a new world order that swallows Israel and destroys America.

We should probably take this one day at a time.

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We should probably take this one day at a time.

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Yup, there's more possible scenarios than Carter has pills.

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Yup, there's more possible scenarios than Carter has pills.
Hopefully this is an indication of an initial direction...

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After the statement, the main opposition coalition — a loosely based grouping of youth and traditional opposition groups — said it would end its main protest in Cairo's Tahrir, or Liberation, Square but would call for weekly demonstrations after Friday prayers.

The group also listed its demands for the first time during a press conference. Those included: the lifting of hated emergency laws, the forming of a presidential council and broad-based unity government, the dissolution of parliament and creation of a committee to amend or rewrite the constitution. They called for reforms ensuring freedom of the press, freedom to form political parties and more transparent media institutions.

The coalition also called for an investigation into allegations of endemic corruption within the regime and the trial of officials responsible for the deaths of protesters.
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Hopefully this is an indication of an initial direction...



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brilliant stuff genius
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Barry Rubin writes quite a bit on the Middle East...

"We should remember that as of this moment the regime is still in power, merely having shed its leader. The regime would have been happy to get rid of Mubarak a couple of years ago, not because he was oppressive but because he was getting too old and trying to foist his son on them.

In a sense, the regime has pulled off one of the greatest public relations' operations in history. By getting rid of one man it has transformed itself from being incredibly unpopular to wildly popular. If the regime can hold on--and the army isn't going to give up easily--the results might not be so bad as long as the army isn't radicalized. And by radicalized I don't mean Islamized but moving to a radical nationalist position."

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