cutting the budget

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You keep suggesting that the right does not think we need to cut the big entitlement programs.

it's very dangerous to go after these goverment teats politically, remember the "Gingrich wants to let your entitlement wither on the vine" episode?....there is great power in having large portions of the electorate dependent on your various Ponzi schemes, particularly if you have no shame when it comes to riling up the dependents against those that you say threaten their place at the teat....it's about as low as you can go but it does work...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

it's very dangerous to go after these goverment teats politically, remember the "Gingrich wants to let your entitlement wither on the vine" episode?....there is great power in having large portions of the electorate dependent on your various Ponzi schemes, particularly if you have no shame when it comes to riling up the dependents against those that you say threaten their place at the teat....it's about as low as you can go but it does work...

I agree with you 100%, this gets back to my whjole point that liberal doctrine DEPENDS upon a large block of voters addicted to liberal entitlements, and then every year at election time, liberals attack any conservative who dares to suggest that we might need to cut entitlements. It's a putrid tactic, but very effective. Again, if we had term limits, no one would care about re-election, so they would have more ability to do the right thing, versus doing the politically correct thing.

I'd love to hear RIROCKHOUND'S take on this. He usually sides with liberals (from my observation), yet he seems to grasp that we need to address these entitlements. So rockhound, if you do indeed think we need to address these entitlements, how do you feel about the left's long-standing practice of demonizing anyone who dares to mention entitlement reform?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and then every year at election time, liberals attack any conservative who dares to suggest that we might need to cut entitlements.

And most conservative dance around this by saying we need cuts w/o a specific plan because they don't want to lose votes, especially among seniors. It;s putrid on both sides.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'd love to hear RIROCKHOUND'S take on this. He usually sides with liberals (from my observation), yet he seems to grasp that we need to address these entitlements. So rockhound, if you do indeed think we need to address these entitlements, how do you feel about the left's long-standing practice of demonizing anyone who dares to mention entitlement reform?

I just said above, I think both sides like to play this card for politics, thats my opinion on that.

You think all liberals are mentally defective, but a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps. The problem is both sides aren't putting forward seemingly reasonable plans. again, like pensions, we can't start #^&#^&#^&#^&ing with people retired or close to it.

lets start with everyone under 45, raise the SS age by 2 years. or offer more steps where the longer you wait the higher the % you'll receive annually...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And most conservative dance around this by saying we need cuts w/o a specific plan because they don't want to lose votes, especially among seniors. It;s putrid on both sides.



I just said above, I think both sides like to play this card for politics, thats my opinion on that.

You think all liberals are mentally defective, but a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps. The problem is both sides aren't putting forward seemingly reasonable plans. again, like pensions, we can't start #^&#^&#^&#^&ing with people retired or close to it.

lets start with everyone under 45, raise the SS age by 2 years. or offer more steps where the longer you wait the higher the % you'll receive annually...

Rockhound, have you ever seen a conservative politician or conservative reporter attack a liberal politician for saying that we need to cut entitlements?

If you want to say that conservatives are cowardly for staying away from the issue to avoid being attacked, I agree with you. However, they wouldn't need to be concerned if it weren't for the unfair attacks, and as far as I can tell, on this issue, 100% of the attacks come from the left. 100%. I follow politics closely, and I have never, ever seen a liberal get attacked by a conservative for suggesting entitlement reform.

"a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps"

I have a hard time swallowing that, given who they elect. Harry Reid says that social security is in good financial shape, he gets re-elected. Barney Frank (chairman of the banking committee) says that Fannie and Freddie are great investments, and he gets re-elected.

Which powerful Republicans have been so irrefutably wrong on issues that vital?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Rockhound, have you ever seen a conservative politician or conservative reporter attack a liberal politician for saying that we need to cut entitlements?

If you want to say that conservatives are cowardly for staying away from the issue to avoid being attacked, I agree with you. However, they wouldn't need to be concerned if it weren't for the unfair attacks, and as far as I can tell, on this issue, 100% of the attacks come from the left. 100%. I follow politics closely, and I have never, ever seen a liberal get attacked by a conservative for suggesting entitlement reform.

"a surprising amount of us don't have a problem with some common sense steps"

I have a hard time swallowing that, given who they elect. Harry Reid says that social security is in good financial shape, he gets re-elected. Barney Frank (chairman of the banking committee) says that Fannie and Freddie are great investments, and he gets re-elected.

Which powerful Republicans have been so irrefutably wrong on issues that vital?

you are not allowed to say cowardly, coward, cowardice etc.

like I said, if you are a big government type benefitting from loyal dependents who vote for you or recieve some guaranteed benefits as a rsult of them...these are all excellent programs and investments

[scottw]

seems the people that did not vote for republicans and their budget cut pledge but now want to hold them to their pledge while ignoring the insane spending by the people that the actually voted for who currently mock and impune the republicans for trying to cut spending....they now have the much despised Tea Party to thank for holding the feet of the republicans to the fire and demanding that the 100 Billion promise be met.....I wonder what the budget would look like if the Tea Party and republicans were not involved?

probably go something like this...

Obama proposed courageous, revolutionary, bold, brilliant, genius, pre-Evil Bush Years...2 Trillion Dollar Budget which both reduces spending and increases investments, despite the lunacy the media applauds and hails him as the most brilliant president ever, he's Kennedy and Reagan and soooo much more.....stuff gushing down their legs.....collectively attacking anyone who questions the validity of the numbers as deniers and birthers...


time elaspes...

six months down the road the numbers are "revised" and it is quietly revealed that the buget is actually 4+ Trillion dollars....there were so many pages that noone had read it all...

the media yawns and collectively attacks Sarah Palin about something...

another day in America's decline

[Raven]

when AMERICA's Interests are fellow Americans......

and they're First.... the American Dream First

AMERICA the Country First....

America as a country has Spent or Invested trillians
of dollars into foreign countries problems so we shouldn't
feel a single bit guilty to take care of our OWN.

The corporations haven't been funding the money spent on
Foreign affairs because they are largely not paying the Taxes.

the people are footing the Bill ..... One thing we can learn from
the Egyptian revolution is that collectively we have a voice that
can be heard if we put aside political division.

That "time" is Now.

[scottw]

I'd look for moral relativism..."all politicians are the same"..."everyone does it"...."they're politicians"..."they all lie" ..."judge not lest ye be judged"..."let he who is without sin cast the first stone"(that was a good one in the Clinton era)....stuff like that...meanwhile...Rome burns



WOW...am I good or what!!!

I honestly didn't see Bryans post till after I'd posted mine....I'm in your head Bry

[Raven]

spending a TRILLION dollars and even more bad money after good
on the failed war on drugs isn't helping our economy.

Even if they only repealed the illegal status of "hemp for fuel"
it would be nice, considering that it has just been reported that
Saudi Arabian oil reserves were over estimated by 40%.