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02-03-2011, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PRBuzz
The list does not include Wyoming, where a House committee this week killed a bill that would have allowed police to check the immigration status of anyone who is stopped for another violation.
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Buzz, didn't you know? There are no immigrants currently living in Wyoming......... |
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02-03-2011, 03:09 PM
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I think
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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02-03-2011, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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Then they shouldn't be allowed to check your record and see if your broke any other laws either. |
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02-03-2011, 03:35 PM
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i disagree
not everyone that looks like an Illegal is an illegal
which is what all the fuss is about right from the beginning
which turns us from a free society to one closer to NAZI Germany
when anyone could be asked "your Papers Please".
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02-03-2011, 05:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
not everyone that looks like an Illegal is an illegal
which is what all the fuss is about right from the beginning
which turns us from a free society to one closer to NAZI Germany
when anyone could be asked "your Papers Please".
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Profiling may not be the politically correct method, but it sure as hell would be the most efficient.
The chances that a white guy driving an Audi SUV is and illegal is a whole lot less than a van filled with 6 people that don't speak English. Not to mention, illegals that are driving more than likely don't have car insurance - something that puts ever other person on the road at risk.
I can't imagine it would be overly difficult to also check immigration status during the the 15 minutes they are back there in their cruiser making me wonder if I'm getting a ticket or not. |
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02-03-2011, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Profiling may not be the politically correct method, but it sure as hell would be the most efficient.
The chances that a white guy driving an Audi SUV is and illegal is a whole lot less than a van filled with 6 people that don't speak English. Not to mention, illegals that are driving more than likely don't have car insurance - something that puts ever other person on the road at risk.
I can't imagine it would be overly difficult to also check immigration status during the the 15 minutes they are back there in their cruiser making me wonder if I'm getting a ticket or not.
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Maybe if a less than properly compliant and documented immigrant cannot produce quality driver's ID and proof of insurance they can make sure esso is all legit.
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02-03-2011, 08:31 PM
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Mosholu
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
Profiling may not be the politically correct method, but it sure as hell would be the most efficient.
The chances that a white guy driving an Audi SUV is and illegal is a whole lot less than a van filled with 6 people that don't speak English. Not to mention, illegals that are driving more than likely don't have car insurance - something that puts ever other person on the road at risk.
I can't imagine it would be overly difficult to also check immigration status during the the 15 minutes they are back there in their cruiser making me wonder if I'm getting a ticket or not.
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You do not know whether they do not speak English until you stop them which is the problem. The causation of the the stop is the issue. If someone has make a traffic violation I think I agree with most of the other poster that you should have the ability to check their immigration status. If you are going to stop them because they look like illegals i.e. hispanic or asian where does it stop. Can police pull over and stop Italians or people who look Italian because the Mafia is all Italian.
That being said I would not mind having a citizen id card issued like the passport card. This way there would be no excuse by employers for saying they were not able to effectively check who they were hiring. Anyone who hires an illegal should pay treble the current fines. |
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02-04-2011, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mosholu
You do not know whether they do not speak English until you stop them which is the problem. The causation of the the stop is the issue. If someone has make a traffic violation I think I agree with most of the other poster that you should have the ability to check their immigration status. If you are going to stop them because they look like illegals i.e. hispanic or asian where does it stop. Can police pull over and stop Italians or people who look Italian because the Mafia is all Italian.
That being said I would not mind having a citizen id card issued like the passport card. This way there would be no excuse by employers for saying they were not able to effectively check who they were hiring. Anyone who hires an illegal should pay treble the current fines.
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Like I said, it's not politically correct, but profiling sure as hell is more efficient. A cop told me once "if I followed you for 5 minutes, I could come up with half a dozen legal reasons to pull you over." If they want to pull you over, they'll find a reason and be able to support it. That's not even taking into consideration that Boarder Patrol Agents, from what I understand (and I'll have to look it up again) aren't limited by the same probable cause situations as your town cop might be.
Example: New Mexico, AZ or Cali police pose as a small contractor in need of day-labor and drive to the local Home Depot or Lowes. They drive up then corral the multiple people standing outside trying to get a job for the day. The officer asks for their identification to check them for warrants and confirm their immigration status. Chances are pretty damn good (so good that I'd give 5:1 odds to anyone who disagrees) that at least one of them is here illegally.
Just to re-emphasize, I'm not saying profiling is pleasant or even fair, but removing bias and utilizing data to create profiles would be the most efficient method of enforcement. |
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02-03-2011, 03:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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I disagree on this. At a minimum I think it should be anyone brought into custody (caught red handed or not)
I think they should be able to check immigration status without taking away someones “human rights”. Why can’t States just list on a drivers license if the person is a citizen or not? Here in Massachusetts driving is a “privilege” not a “right”. If it’s a privilege, then change the law to read that “US Citizen” or “Non US Citizen” be listed on that “privileged” license. |
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02-05-2011, 06:43 PM
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Location: Abington, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
they should only be able to check immigration status for those caught red handed committing a crime ....not traffic infractions either...
hey! your tail light's out Buddy....
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Try going to a foreign country and over staying your visa... |
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02-05-2011, 06:49 PM
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