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[spence]

I wonder what some people think the definition of the word "patriotism" is?

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[scottw]

well, according to John Kerry misquoting/misattributing Thomas Jefferson..."dissent"



by Mark Steyn

“This is not the first time in American history when patriotism has been distorted to deflect criticism and mislead the nation,” warned Sen. Kerry, placing his courage in the broader historical context. “No wonder Thomas Jefferson himself said: ‘Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.’ “

Close enough. According to the Jefferson Library: “There are a number of quotes that we do not find in Thomas Jefferson’s correspondence or other writings; in such cases, Jefferson should not be cited as the source. Among the most common of these spurious Jefferson quotes are: ‘Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.’ “

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It’s truer to say that these days patriotism is the highest form of dissent — against a culture where the media award each other Pulitzers for damaging national security, and the only way a soldier’s mom can become a household name is if she’s a Bush-is-the-real-terrorist kook like Cindy Sheehan, and our grade schools’ claims to teach our children about America, “warts and all,” has dwindled down into teaching them all the warts and nothing else. Or as the Capital Times of Madison, Wis., concluded its ringing editorial on the subject:”Thomas Jefferson got it right: ‘Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.’ And teaching children how to be thoughtful and effective dissenters is the highest form of education.”

Teaching them authentic Jefferson quotes would be a better approach.

[likwid]

Francis Bellamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

socialist.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

Francis Bellamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

socialist.

Christian Socialist

and a confused Christian Socialist at that...is JD a Christain Socialist?

Bellamy was a Christian Socialist[2] who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"[3]

Bellamy's views on immigration were somewhat less egalitarian. He wrote that "[a] democracy like ours cannot afford to throw itself open to the world where every man is a lawmaker, every dull-witted or fanatical immigrant admitted to our citizenship is a bane to the commonwealth; where all classes of society merge insensibly into one another.”[3]

[buckman]

I think it goes "Dissent is the greatest form of racisim"

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by likwid

Which portion is that?

Other than the ones that pay nearly twice what we do in taxes...
Or the ones with twice the jobless rate
Or the ones with completely destroyed state government

Who pays - by state - nearly twice that of mass?
Jobless rate? RI
Completely Destroyed Guvmint? RI? MA? NJ? CA? IL? - All, of course, the bastions of Fiscal Responsibility.

How many have been voting with their feet and leaving Mass?

I've had it and I'm dissenting from the dissenters.

The Ivy League and Ivy League wannabes who declare that they practice the ultimate forms of patriotism, then sneak around after school and smoke a bowl and affirm with each other they are practicing the greatest forms of patriotism. If you tell yourself often enough, especially when stoned, you will believe it

I am dissenting from those that want to take my money to reward someone not here legally with college while I decide how many extra hours per week I need to work to save for my son's college education.

I am dissenting from those that choose not enforce our borders and laws.

I am dissenting from the people that gleam with admiration and a Hope Chest for Bill Ayers and Che Guevara.

I am dissenting from the dissenters that feel that patriotism is NOT saying the Pledge of Allegiance

I am dissenting from the legislatures that accelerate the public debt and then underfund our long term liability.

I am dissenting from Judi Puritz Cook. If she won't make decisions for her kids, who will? “It’s uncomfortable. The pledge is a promise, and I’ve always taught my kids to think very carefully before making any promise. It’s not a decision I want to make for them" YGTBSM!

I am dissenting the "community organization" I know that does good work for other people BUT of the 50 some flages celebrating diversity in their foyer, the American Flag is missing.

I am dissenting from those passive-aggressive uber peaceniks that will blow up what or the other in the name of "patriotism" and yet call for our disarmament.

I am dissenting from the PORK - We are EFFING BROKE. Yet we continue to accelerate spending and mismanagement.

I am dissenting from the people that once taught me about tolerance, yet now are intolerant of others. Those that practice religion are bad, those that serve in the military are bad, those that have differing views are bad.

I am dissenting from current successors of the very people that decades ago did so much monumental, good, and important work for our country regarding race. When will we finally get to where the content of one's character is what counts?

I want a return of the Old School Democrat, the one that supported the people, tolerance, fiscal responsibility, and a strong USofA.

5 years ago I was starting to strongly consider becoming "progressive" - shifting my political leanings and I self evaluated, and I watched, and I read, and I nearly got sick to myself.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Who pays - by state - nearly twice that of mass?
Jobless rate? RI
Completely Destroyed Guvmint? RI? MA? NJ? CA? IL? - All, of course, the bastions of Fiscal Responsibility. (and liberalism)

grreeeeeat post JR !(the whole thing, not just what I quoted)...