this mosque thing is blowin up for Barry

[RIJIMMY]

the fact that neither of you get it is no suprise. Makes perfect, simple sense.
You both chose to question the motives of the protestors, thats not the issue. The issue is the RIGHT to do it. All 3 are constitutional RIGHTS. you both dove into the "act" (protest/mosque) vs. people's response/opinion. Thats what Im driving at. The response. I dont care about the correlation of the "act".
If you are against these protestors, which I assume you are, are you against people's civil rights? Freedom of expression? I dont think so. So - dont label those opposed to the mosque as bigots. Dont say there against freedom of religion.
You may have no issue with the mosque being built, but some do. Just as Spence says right to lifers may not have a problem with PP protests, but some do. The mosque may not be "out there" but neither you nor I lost any family on 9/11, we werent evacuated from our offices in the midst of chaos and we dont have family overseas being blown up by religious fanatics. But some do, and I value their opinions and understand them.

[buckman]

Not to change the focus here.


Do you think this mosque will get the same attention by Homeland Security then say... St. Mary's here in Mansfield?

Why would it?

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

the fact that neither of you get it is no suprise. Makes perfect, simple sense.
You both chose to question the motives of the protestors, thats not the issue. The issue is the RIGHT to do it. All 3 are constitutional RIGHTS. you both dove into the "act" (protest/mosque) vs. people's response/opinion. Thats what Im driving at. The response. I dont care about the correlation of the "act".

I don't think we've ever said that people don't have the right to voice their opinion for or against the Islamic community center.

What we have questioned is why people are against it. My argument is that it's driven by 1) misunderstanding of what the intended use of the site it and where it's really located 2) animosity and mistrust of Muslims in general 3) stereotypes 4) 9/11 shell shock and 5) all whipped up by political activists out to toss bombs at everyone's expense.

I've yet to hear a good rational argument against the facility, other than doing so hurts people's feelings...so much of which is driven by misinformation and political gain.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think we've ever said that people don't have the right to voice their opinion for or against the Islamic community center.

What we have questioned is why people are against it. My argument is that it's driven by 1) misunderstanding of what the intended use of the site it and where it's really located 2) animosity and mistrust of Muslims in general 3) stereotypes 4) 9/11 shell shock and 5) all whipped up by political activists out to toss bombs at everyone's expense.

I've yet to hear a good rational argument against the facility, other than doing so hurts people's feelings...so much of which is driven by misinformation and political gain.

-spence

I just swallowed my vomit. I actually agree with you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I just swallowed my vomit. I actually agree with you.

Good, we should go fishing in celebration

But the white elephant in the room here, is that Americans don't understand Islam.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

But the white elephant in the room here, is that Americans don't understand Islam.

-spence

Not sure we understand alot of religions. What's your point? Islam isn't the problem,right?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Not sure we understand alot of religions. What's your point? Islam isn't the problem,right?

I think "we" understand Christianity pretty well. Judaism somewhat depending on what part of the country you live in. Hinduism not that well, but then again...they don't have a lot of natural resources

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I just swallowed my vomit. I actually agree with you.