Poacher caught - again!

[Raven]

it was premeditated that's for sure!

he's a repeat offender and needs some
JAIL TIME ......not just fines.

[Sundowner]

I understand that each coastal state has thier boundaries, but shouldnt this be a federal offense seeing how this is a migrating fish and each state has its offenders and victims. Victims being either the bass, the ecology, the recreational fisher, the commercial fisher, the b&t stores, tourism, etc..
I am no gem, but I dont take away from other peoples enjoyment and priveledges

[numbskull]

.....but you don't spend the money in MA that you earn from catching fish in MA. Makes no economic sense at all for the state to let out of state commercials fish or sell here, unless they feel the MA commercial fleet by itself could not fill the state's quota. Gives away a significant part of the financial benefit from the state's commercial quota to neighboring states. Hard to see why they allow it.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

.....but you don't spend the money in MA that you earn from catching fish in MA. Makes no economic sense at all for the state to let out of state commercials fish or sell here, unless they feel the MA commercial fleet by itself could not fill the state's quota. Gives away a significant part of the financial benefit from the state's commercial quota to neighboring states. Hard to see why they allow it.

Out of staters pay way more for a license, ($460 myself), then you spend money on Fuel, Lodging, Food, slip / ramp fees, tackle... How is that not an economic benefit???

If you didnt have out of staters than the rec guys would be bitchin' about the com guys a few more weeks as the season stays open! :-))))

[Diggin Jiggin]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Out of staters pay way more for a license, ($460 myself), then you spend money on Fuel, Lodging, Food, slip / ramp fees, tackle... How is that not an economic benefit???

If you didnt have out of staters than the rec guys would be bitchin' about the com guys a few more weeks as the season stays open!

As a rec only guy it makes no difference at all to me how long it takes the comm guys to fill the state quota. The quota doesn't change so what difference does it make how ling it takes to fill.

If we didn't have out of state guys filling our state quota, then the guys that do live here & fish commercially would get a few more weeks to catch & sell fish & they would make more money is a season.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Out of staters pay way more for a license, ($460 myself), then you spend money on Fuel, Lodging, Food, slip / ramp fees, tackle... How is that not an economic benefit???

If you didnt have out of staters than the rec guys would be bitchin' about the com guys a few more weeks as the season stays open!

A lot of what you post is self-serving, but this is ridiculous.

You make a profit in MA commercial fishing and you take it home with you.......otherwise you wouldn't be here. If you are as good as you make yourself out to be, then it is not a small profit either. That money benefits the state you spend it in. Presumably you pay taxes on it (although I'd bet many guys don't) and use the rest for your family's living expenses. That money in turn gets taxed and spent by others where you live (multiplier effect). If a million dollars leaves MA it results in several million dollars of lost economic activity. That is money that could be helping the people of MA.

So explain to me again how it is in the State's interest to allow out of state utilization of our commercial quota?

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

A lot of what you post is self-serving, but this is ridiculous.

You make a profit in MA commercial fishing and you take it home with you.......otherwise you wouldn't be here. If you are as good as you make yourself out to be, then it is not a small profit either. That money benefits the state you spend it in. Presumably you pay taxes on it (although I'd bet many guys don't) and use the rest for your family's living expenses. That money in turn gets taxed and spent by others where you live (multiplier effect). If a million dollars leaves MA it results in several million dollars of lost economic activity. That is money that could be helping the people of MA.

So explain to me again how it is in the State's interest to allow out of state utilization of our commercial quota?

I know I spend several thousand in mass on gas, food, lodging every year, every dollar spent in mass has an economic benefit. Any diferent than rec guys traveling to other states to recreationally fish. Cmon, We all know how expensive fishing is...
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[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know I spend several thousand in mass on gas, food, lodging every year, every dollar spent in mass has an economic benefit. Any diferent than rec guys traveling to other states to recreationally fish. Cmon, We all know how expensive fishing is...
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You wouldn't be spending the money unless you were getting a return on the investment.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know I spend several thousand in mass on gas, food, lodging every year, every dollar spent in mass has an economic benefit. Any diferent than rec guys traveling to other states to recreationally fish. Cmon, We all know how expensive fishing is...
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The quota is worth a fixed number of dollars to the state. A guy who comes in and spends 2000 dollars and leaves with 8000 dollars reduces the value of that quota by 8000 dollars and creates a net loss for the state of 6000 dollars initially, but probably closer to 10,000 dollars after multiplier effects are accounted for.

So, again, as a citizen of MA why should my family, my neighbors, and myself lose 10,000 dollars of economic activity so you can come here and sell fish? Talk about a resource grab....this one is a grand-daddy.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by numbskull

A lot of what you post is self-serving, but this is ridiculous.

You make a profit in MA commercial fishing and you take it home with you.......otherwise you wouldn't be here. If you are as good as you make yourself out to be, then it is not a small profit either. That money benefits the state you spend it in. Presumably you pay taxes on it (although I'd bet many guys don't) and use the rest for your family's living expenses. That money in turn gets taxed and spent by others where you live (multiplier effect). If a million dollars leaves MA it results in several million dollars of lost economic activity. That is money that could be helping the people of MA.

So explain to me again how it is in the State's interest to allow out of state utilization of our commercial quota?

How many products are made in Jersey and shipped up here for sale. Its no different than any other interstate commerce. Protected under federal law.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

How many products are made in Jersey and shipped up here for sale. Its no different than any other interstate commerce. Protected under federal law.

There is no limit on those sales. The government can't go up to Apple and say "hey, you can only sell 2 million laptops tp Massachusetts and 4 million iPhones to New Jersey this year and then you're shut down."

On the other hand, and I think this is numbskull's point which I agree with, the government tells the commercial fishing sector that they can only catch so many lbs of fish. As such, there is a limit to how much money will be made from selling fish. By MA allowing out-of-state people to comm fish here, those people get paid by our local markets, and then they take that money to their home state to be used in the local economies of NY or NJ or wherever, as opposed to being used locally in our state.

If a MA market pays a MA fisherman $1000 for his catch, then the fisherman later uses that money to buy his local coffee at the mom and pop shop, at RedTop for extra tackle/bait and to pay his rent. That money stays locally, helps local businesses and is taxed locally.

On the other hand, if that same $1000 is paid to a NY fisherman, then that money leaves the state with him to stimulate *their* local economy as opposed to the benefits being preserved here.

This is like a micro version of our national trade situation. Every dollar we Americans use for imported goods is a dollar that stops being utilized domestically. With the current state of our economy and the number of people without jobs, every little bit helps.

[Mr. Sandman]

This is nothing. There is way too much illegal fishing buying/selling going on and no one is enforcing much of anything. 450 buck fine is laughable and provides more incentive to fish illegally than deterrent.

Game-fish status is the simplest answer given the level of enforcement we will ever have. Any complex quotas or slot limits CAN NOT be enforced and are worthless.


Gamefish status, 1 fish rec take (any-size).