I am SOTS: MAKE STRIPED BASS A GAMEFISH! - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

BigFish · 06-19-2010, 01:35 PM

Sure would love to know where they derive the "released and died" numbers from????? They must have followed the fish or later took a survey!

Again.....the switch from 2 fish to 1 fish would be significant. Lets all agree on that...K?

And I already mentioned the size should go up...34...36 inches....either works for me!

piemma · 06-19-2010, 01:52 PM

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Sure would love to know where they derive the "released and died" numbers from????? They must have followed the fish or later took a survey!

Again.....the switch from 2 fish to 1 fish would be significant. Lets all agree on that...K?

And I already mentioned the size should go up...34...36 inches....either works for me!

How long will we minority keep saying 1, 34 or 1, 36? No one wants to listen.

It's like this nitwit on the "other board". Said he fished from April to Nov and keeps 4 fish a WEEK. I was going to point out that amounts to 108 fish that he keeps. WHAT THE *&%$@# DO YOU NEED TO KILL 108 BASS FOR???? I haven't killed 108 bass in 10 years.

But what's the use! With that kind of mentality, anything I said would have started one of these *&%$^throwing wars. "IT's my right blah, blah, blah....."

BigFish · 06-19-2010, 01:55 PM

4 fish a week is insane!!! Love to know how much of that fish is being eaten and how much is actually tossed in the dumpster?!?!?!

Sea Dangles · 06-19-2010, 04:28 PM

George loves numbers and analysis,but if there were a 20-25% reduction it would be substantial bordering on monumental. Push the size limit to 34" and the numbers increase exponentially.
I still want to know how SK intends to help make it a gamefish.

afterhours · 06-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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I still want to know how SK intends to help make it a gamefish.

by eliminating the opposition

????? seriously..... i believe in gamefish status in state waters. chris -that is the $64,000 question

. gamefish status in state waters, no comm, and 1 fish @36" could'nt help but improve the fishery in a large way.

BigFish · 06-19-2010, 04:37 PM

Don which state??

afterhours · 06-19-2010, 04:39 PM

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Don which state??

all states big feller...

SAUERKRAUT · 06-19-2010, 05:37 PM

I still want to know how SK intends to help make it a gamefish.[/QUOTE]

Don't know. No idea how the State of FL managed to do do this with snook, but it was an all out war down there. Maybe all of the recreational sector should fish commercial, early fill the Almighty Quota, and work to once again CRASH the fishery in the hope that we get a better deal from the next time...if there would be a next time. Otherwise, I will follow my heart and remain a verbal advocate for Gamefish status for this public resource. Bonds.

BigFish · 06-19-2010, 06:07 PM

Big

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Depleting

Stripers!

Way to go Alan!! Bonds to you!

ProfessorM · 06-20-2010, 10:33 AM

Otherwise, I will follow my heart and remain a verbal advocate for Gamefish status for this public resource. Bonds.[/QUOTE]

And I truly respect that, even if I am on the other side of the fence at this time. It is not easy taking the hard route and it is good to have an opposite opinion to anything we do in life as then you get to see both sides of an issue and sometimes after reviewing your path you may change your mind. But without an opposite opinion you may never know what you are missing. The bottom line is everyone cares about this fish just some differently than others. I am concerned and I just hope the side I am on at this time is not wrong, and I end up living to regret my decision.

afterhours · 06-20-2010, 11:28 AM

Paul, i for one fished comm. leading up to the decline of the 80's. i (now) regret having a negitive effect on the fishery. sure i have a vested interest in this fishery running a plug business, but my main interest comes as a fisherman first and foremost. some of the older guys have this flashback back in the day.....when a 20# made your day. it's not rocket science- less killed on both sides equal more fish swimming.

MakoMike · 06-21-2010, 12:45 PM

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Sure would love to know where they derive the "released and died" numbers from????? They must have followed the fish or later took a survey!

They come from several studies done in VA and MD. They caught and released the fish into a giant pen, so they could watch them. Most of the mortality comes days after the release, which is why you don't see dead fish floating around after a blitz.

afterhours · 06-21-2010, 01:35 PM

on that mortality rate....how were they caught? bait, fly, plug....

numbskull · 06-21-2010, 02:44 PM

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on that mortality rate....how were they caught? bait, fly, plug....

They have tested bait and plugs. Gut hooked bait is the worse. But what really kills fish is temperature. As I recall (always iffy these days) when water temps are in the 70's almost half the fish you release probably die.

Watched a guy in the canal land a 25-30ish pound fish on a plug. He lipped that fish (plug and all) and unhooked it without ever taking it out of the water, then spent a few minutes reviving it even though it looked fresh enough to swim sooner. I was duly impressed.

Here is some stuff from another thread:

Here is a link with some data http://www.acuteangling.com/Reference/C&RMortality.html

Here is a study (FW Striped Bass) that mentions temp effects. There is a better one somewhere that I can't find.
http://web.vims.edu/GreyLit/MDNR/ftm016?svr=www

Sea Dangles · 06-21-2010, 07:45 PM

At RP a number of years ago I witnessed an angler filet a fish without removing it from the water.I can't stand watching a floater go by,what a waste.
George,as a result of that study do you curtail your fishing when temps climb to such levels?

numbskull · 06-21-2010, 08:25 PM

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George,as a result of that study do you curtail your fishing when temps climb to such levels?

Nope. Too selfish for that. I prefer to delude myself that they all make it. I do try to get them back into the water fast. I had a 34lb fish (which is big for me) go belly up and get swept away from me a rough August night 2 years ago after I weighed, photographed, then thought I'd revived it. Sort of ruined most of the pride I had in catching it.

Sea Dangles · 06-22-2010, 06:30 AM

I ditched the scale a couple years ago,it really serves no purpose in the surf.I still remember scrambling to get the tin fired up to chase a large fish that was released after an unsuccessful revival.It became people food instead of fish food.

Any study done where fish are "released" into a pen is skewed imo.Fish don't do well in pens.

piemma · 06-24-2010, 06:20 AM

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Nope. Too selfish for that. I prefer to delude myself that they all make it. I do try to get them back into the water fast. I had a 34lb fish (which is big for me) go belly up and get swept away from me a rough August night 2 years ago after I weighed, photographed, then thought I'd revived it. Sort of ruined most of the pride I had in catching it.

Back in 92 I was fishing at the Second Rip with a bunch of commercial rod and reel guys. I had given up my commercial license so I was catching and releasing. I caught a fish that was about 25# and after a long fight landed it, revived it (or so I thought) and released it.
Well the fish washed up on the beach about 10 minutes later and the late and great George Calzone grabbed the fish and threw it in his fish tote. I told him that I had released that fish earlier and it swam away. He said, "Paulie, in the Summer (this was at the beginning of July, maybe the 5th or 6th) most of the released fish don't survive because of the lactic acid build up and the water temps." I believe he was correct.