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detbuch · 06-18-2010, 09:25 PM

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Some of the most significant legislation in our history has been passed recently - that's taking charge.

I've been reading whining, fingerpointing and many message of catastrophy here for the last 18 months.

That legislation is significant does not mean it is good. And what you may mean by significant may only be a part of the legislaltion's full importance. A great deal of what "O" has done goes far beyond its expressed intent. For example, more important than the so-called health care legislation (which defeats the intention of lowering cost) is its continued assault on the People's power and further consolidation of power into the Federal Gvt. and specifically into the hands of the POTUS.

PaulS · 06-20-2010, 11:43 AM

[QUOTE=detbuch;774796]That legislation is significant does not mean it is good. .[/QUOT]

That's your opinion. Even working in the Ins. industry, I'm very happy with it.

buckman · 06-20-2010, 05:25 PM

I think Obama's doing a swell job.

detbuch · 06-20-2010, 09:08 PM

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That legislation is significant does not mean it is good. .[/QUOT]

That's your opinion. Even working in the Ins. industry, I'm very happy with it.

What is it, specifically, that makes you happy with it?

scottw · 06-21-2010, 05:28 AM

it's kinda like saying you are "very happy" with the new car that you haven't taken delivery of yet and have barely driven and you are just hoping the salesman was being honest with you, isn't it?

PaulS · 06-21-2010, 07:02 AM

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What is it, specifically, that makes you happy with it?

I think its a matter of morals that people have healthcare.

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it's kinda like saying you are "very happy" with the new car that you haven't taken delivery of yet and have barely driven and you are just hoping the salesman was being honest with you, isn't it?

so you mean all the people whining the last 18 months should have waited to see how it turns out before breaking out in complaining fits?

scottw · 06-21-2010, 07:28 AM

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I think its a matter of morals that people have healthcare. inane, the left seems to really like to pick and choose when it comes to morality, sliding scale based on political values and advantage rather than right and wrong

so you mean all the people whining the last 18 months should have waited to see how it turns out before breaking out in complaining fits?

should you try to put the fire out in your kitchen or wait till the house burns down to "see how it turns out"?

is that all you've got? you just severely lowered my opinion of Obama voters and that's really saying something....

PaulS · 06-21-2010, 07:48 AM

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is that all you've got? you just severely lowered my opinion of Obama voters and that's really saying something....

And you obviously haven't changed my opinion of you.

Any time you want to compare morals, pls. let me know.

detbuch · 06-21-2010, 08:46 AM

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I think its a matter of morals that people have healthcare.

Are we now to abandon the idea that you can't legislate morality? And if legislating morality is now to be a domain of our Federal Government, whose morality will be the model? Will that change with changing administrations?

The founders understood that individual freedom rests on the notion that the bulk of governmental restriction is against the government not against the people.

My personal view of what Obama meant when he promised to fundamentally change this country is that he would change the constitutional view of what government is not allowed to do, to his (and the left's) view of what the government should do.

And if the government should prescribe so much as to even include how we care for our health and to decide what is moral, then individual freedom will be a phrase with no substance.

And, anyway, before Obama care, the uninsured, as Scott implied did get health care. Maybe not in your moral point of view. The "health care" bill was not about providing health care but about how to pay for it. And it will now, against what was promised, be more expensive and more restrictive. And, temporarilly, maybe why you being in the insurance industry are happy with it, insurance companies will make more money. In the long run, they may be driven out of business.

scottw · 06-21-2010, 09:10 AM

he hasn't clarified if he's in health insurance or selling car insurance

seems the side that has traditionally screamed "don't force you morals on me"..rosaries and ovaries and all that...are perfectly willing to not only force their morals on others, but force others into a system of healthcare against their will and force them to pay...huh? I suppose if you include yourself under the umbrella or marxism and all of it's tawdry branches...you ought be quite happy....sadly..that's not America and polls show that American's are not pleased with the morality being forced on them by this radical leftist president and his followers....quick quiz...DID OBAMA GOLF OR GO TO CHURCH THIS WEEKEND?