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fishbones · 03-23-2010, 01:43 PM

Spence, out of curiosity, how much of the bill did you read? You commented about it as being centrist in nature in another thread, which led me to believe you were pretty familiar with it's contents. It's a pretty big bill which would take a lot of time for someone to even scan through it. With you having a full time job during the week and being a weekend Cosmonaut, I just don't see how you could be that informed about it.

spence · 03-23-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, out of curiosity, how much of the bill did you read? You commented about it as being centrist in nature in another thread, which led me to believe you were pretty familiar with it's contents. It's a pretty big bill which would take a lot of time for someone to even scan through it. With you having a full time job during the week and being a weekend Cosmonaut, I just don't see how you could be that informed about it.

I've read a bit of the actual bill and have rounded my opinions from diverse and trusted sources. As you suspect, I'm a pretty important person and don't have time for idle reading.

Centrist is a relative position. The middle today already accepts a hybrid government/free market system that has been repeatedly endorsed by both parties. Even under Bush Republicans passed a massive Medicare entitlement that was inherently anti-free market in principal.

The lack of a true public option to provide competition and the many concessions to the health care industry keep this bill from pulling too far left, even if it does mandate coverage which clearly is a left of center element.

Ultimately there's a negotiated trade off underneath all of this...

The Government gets near universal coverage...while the private Health Care Industry gets to make Americans pay premium for prescription drugs and adds millions of customers to it's portfolio.

So by some accounts both the Government and Free Market have wins and losses which doesn't pull us that far from where we are now.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go influence the lives of others.

-spence

RIJIMMY · 03-23-2010, 02:33 PM

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Ultimately there's a negotiated trade off underneath all of this...

The Government gets near universal coverage...while the private Health Care Industry gets to make Americans pay premium for prescription drugs and adds millions of customers to it's portfolio.

So by some accounts both the Government and Free Market have wins and losses which doesn't pull us that far from where we are now.

-spence

except that premiums will rise for those that have insurance (80% of the pop) the deficit will rise and taxes will too. Other than screwing the WORKING taxpayers, its win/win!

spence · 03-23-2010, 02:53 PM

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except that premiums will rise for those that have insurance (80% of the pop) the deficit will rise and taxes will too. Other than screwing the WORKING taxpayers, its win/win!

The bill contains measures to slow the rate of premium increases for existing policies...how slow is certainly open to debate.

-spence

fishbones · 03-23-2010, 03:10 PM

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The bill contains measures to slow the rate of premium increases for existing policies...how slow is certainly open to debate.

-spence

I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

scottw · 03-23-2010, 03:17 PM

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I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

Spence is a lot like Biden, he really has no idea what he's talking about but just keeps talking because he likes to hear himself talk, he's usually wrong and leaves you wondering if he's really that stupid or just evil

he's only a big deal in his own mind

the answer is the same as for all of the other government entitlements and unfunded obligations

spence · 03-23-2010, 07:12 PM

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I know you're kind of a big deal, but could you take the time to answer one question for me?

Where is all the money coming from to pay for this government run health care?

A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

Raider Ronnie · 03-23-2010, 07:19 PM

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A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

You read all 2700 pages ?

buckman · 03-24-2010, 05:33 AM

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A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

That would be everyone making over 200K. Hell, I think they are paying for just about every CHANGE Obama can dream up.

Keep dreaming Spence. My brother works for the DPW and he figured change just cost him $1800 a year

fishbones · 03-24-2010, 08:51 AM

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A lot of it from taxing the wealthy.

If you'd read the bill you'd know that.

-spence

Clearly, I've read more of the bill than you. I have to admit that when you use vagaries like "a lot of it", it sounds like the wealthy are going to be supporting the rest of us. In typical Spence fashion though, you don't provide any real numbers because you don't know them. The wealthy will only be paying a higher tax on Medicare. If you read the bill, you'd know that.

Do you know anything about the mandates in the bill that could raise the price of premiums? Maybe you wouldn't mind having a plan that requires you to have coverage for infertility treatments or wigs. When the government mandates that a plan can only legally be sold in a state if it has certain mandates, it's effectively forcing people to pay more for their coverage.

TommyTuna · 03-24-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

I've read a bit of the actual bill and have rounded my opinions from diverse and trusted sources. As you suspect, I'm a pretty important person and don't have time for idle reading.

Centrist is a relative position. The middle today already accepts a hybrid government/free market system that has been repeatedly endorsed by both parties. Even under Bush Republicans passed a massive Medicare entitlement that was inherently anti-free market in principal.

The lack of a true public option to provide competition and the many concessions to the health care industry keep this bill from pulling too far left, even if it does mandate coverage which clearly is a left of center element.

Ultimately there's a negotiated trade off underneath all of this...

The Government gets near universal coverage...while the private Health Care Industry gets to make Americans pay premium for prescription drugs and adds millions of customers to it's portfolio.

So by some accounts both the Government and Free Market have wins and losses which doesn't pull us that far from where we are now.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go influence the lives of others.

-spence

8,944 posts of equivication, drivvle & parsimonious lecturing -oh and influencing people...wow...Is your head on tight?

TT

JohnnyD · 03-24-2010, 03:36 PM

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8,944 posts of equivication, drivvle & parsimonious lecturing -oh and influencing people...wow...Is your head on tight?

TT

And people criticize me for getting the thesaurus out.

scottw · 03-24-2010, 03:40 PM

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And people criticize me for getting the thesaurus out.

we're just surprised when you go polysyllabic on occasion