Taxpayers pay $101,000 for Pelosi's in-flight 'food, booze'

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

This is true, after 9/11 Bush asked that the Speaker of the House be afforded more security. Because Pelosi lives on the west coast, the plane that Hastert used to take doesn't have the range.

Something about this entire story strikes me as odd. A single story from WND who's known to post false or inaccurate bunk as news, runs the rumor mill but has no credible reporting...

I'd wager it's being taken out of context or otherwise heavily spun.

-spence

and because she won't stop to refuel....

[striperman36]

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[spence]

Originally Posted by striperman36

and because she won't stop to refuel....

I don't think that's her decision but rather being made by the security staff of the House.

It also looks like:

Hastert used the Air Force as a shuttle much more frequently.

Hastert often took his family with him.

Many of Pelosi's trips, including the one where they accuse all the booze of being drank, also included Republican members of the House.

Rules for family members state that taxpayers are reimbursed for their tickets and food.

Etc...

In other words, there's a lot of context missing from this story.

-spence

[striperman36]

A non-stop is required for security purposes?
Still think there are other options more viable like ExecuJets or NetJets.
Who would know?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think that's her decision but rather being made by the security staff of the House.

It also looks like:

Hastert used the Air Force as a shuttle much more frequently.

Hastert often took his family with him.

Many of Pelosi's trips, including the one where they accuse all the booze of being drank, also included Republican members of the House.

Rules for family members state that taxpayers are reimbursed for their tickets and food.

Etc...

In other words, there's a lot of context missing from this story.

-spence

what's it like?....constantly making excuses for, defending, creating moral equivalents for and putting into context the truly evil?

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

what's it like?....constantly making excuses for, defending, creating moral equivalents for and putting into context the truly evil?

I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I am sick of out of context crap being used to smear. It's eating this country alive.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I am sick of out of context crap being used to smear. It's eating this country alive.

-spence

And not exactly a new trend. Been going on for decades. Now, has it increased in the past 15 years? Or is it that "we" are older and more aware / beaten down?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And not exactly a new trend. Been going on for decades. Now, has it increased in the past 15 years? Or is it that "we" are older and more aware / beaten down?

blame the decline of the american education system and the lack of intiative for the average american. As a result, there are more and more liberals and they have access to outlets like the media and the internet. the dumbing down of america.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

blame the decline of the american education system and the lack of intiative for the average american. As a result, there are more and more liberals and they have access to outlets like the media and the internet. the dumbing down of america.

I think you discount the parental influences, which allow your above statements to ring true. People seem to be stepping away from liability or their own children and expecting the Village to raise their child. They piss and moan when the schools don't do exactly as they see fit, but at the same token, won't hold responsibility for teaching their own children.

When I was teaching a voluntary afterschool activity for high school kids, if they showed up late or didn't show up at all, there was always an excuse. The parents would send an email or would come in and tell us to excuse their child - my favorite would be the notes we'd receive from doctors, psycs, part-time bosses, and older siblings. There were many times we knew the kid was playing hooky (because their peers would tell us) but then would have a note "Please excuse Jimmy. He had a Dr's appointment."

My long-winded point is that there is a trend of parents not even holding their own children responsible for their actions. When I was young and accidentally broke a neighbors window, I was the one that had to do yard work for them or paint their fence - today, a parent just pays for the window.

I think this all adds to the increasingly litigious state of this country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

blame the decline of the american education system and the lack of intiative for the average american. As a result, there are more and more liberals and they have access to outlets like the media and the internet. the dumbing down of america.

Idiotic post.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And not exactly a new trend. Been going on for decades. Now, has it increased in the past 15 years? Or is it that "we" are older and more aware / beaten down?

I think that's an influence as politics have always been ugly, but the media age, and especially the influence of the Internet have definitely changed the game significantly.

Disinformation goes viral much, much faster. This consumes the news cycle which is much shorter.

-spence

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

agreed, want a new one? I was thinking of posting this and Im sure Fishbones will chime in.....I get a note from daycare, MA passed some requirement that if you're in daycare for more than 4 hrs or eat there, they have to brush the kids teeth. This is becasue of growing tooth decay. WTF !!!! So because some parents dont take care of their kids, we all have to do this? I'll bet any $$$$ it was a liberal who implemented this. So now we have massive flu hysteria and we're going to be having kids swaping spit and using toothbrushes at daycares. F'in nuts!

Just setting the stage for when they go to elementary school they'll be ready for their on premises dental care.

Originally Posted by spence

I think that's an influence as politics have always been ugly, but the media age, and especially the influence of the Internet have definitely changed the game significantly.

Disinformation goes viral much, much faster. This consumes the news cycle which is much shorter.

-spence

Disinformation cuts both ways. No/Few unbiased sources. Quick disinformation. Makes living in the extreme middle challenging.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm no fan of Pelosi, but I am sick of out of context crap being used to smear. It's eating this country alive.

-spence

OK, I'll take that as an admission....I guess evil needs it's defenders too......