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[RIROCKHOUND]

I'm saying a C+/B- Even though they pondered it for a while, so far on Iraq/Afghanistan he has done what he advertised, which is draw down one and up the other. We can argue about the merits of the 'end date' but I think we all know that will get pushed back. I'd like to see them a bit more aggressive on banks that took bailout money, both from the last and this administration re: Bonuses and such, but I think they are working on that. Healthcare: dead in that form, which is a good thing. Climate- hasn't done enough, some super wishy-washy deadlines and goals in Copenhagen was a waste of time...

Let me turn it around, if McCain/Palin had won, what would he have done differently to have things turned around.

My guess? The economy would still be in the crapper, we still be invested in two wars, and she could still see Russia from her house

[JohnR]

D+ overall which is marginally higher than my expectations.

He MUST get spending under control. We're in a spending spiral and we're out of control...

[scottw]

don't worry John, he's about to declare a "spending freeze"...which I guess is sort of like going way over your limit on your credit card and having the bank shut you off and then proclaiming that you aren't going to use your credit card anymore, except for this and that....

Figures on government spending and debt

On Monday January 25, 2010, 5:38 pm EST
WASHINGTON (AP) --

Figures on government spending and debt (last six digits are eliminated). The
government's fiscal year runs Oct. 1 through Sept. 30.
Total public debt subject to limit Jan. 22 12,245,872
Statutory debt limit 12,394,000
Total public debt outstanding Jan. 22 12,302,465
Operating balance Jan. 22 142,454
Interest fiscal year 2009 383,365
Interest fiscal year 2008 451,154
Deficit fiscal year 2009 1,417,121
Deficit fiscal year 2008 454,798
Receipts fiscal year 2009 2,104,613
Receipts fiscal year 2008 2,523,642
Outlays fiscal year 2009 3,521,734
Outlays fiscal year 2008 2,978,440
Gold assets in September 11,041

not only is spending out of control, but we've committed to outrageous spending before declaring the "freeze"...and look at the receipts....there is nothing to inspire the economy, in fact, every proclimation and demonization from the WH makes people, companies, banks less likely to invest in an uncertain future, little desire to expand and do what we generally do to grow our economy...engage in commerce..Capitalism...evil capitalism...it's all being temporarily propped up at the moment, but who knows how long that will last....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

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Let me turn it around, if McCain/Palin had won, what would he have done differently to have things turned around.

My guess? The economy would still be in the crapper, we still be invested in two wars, and she could still see Russia from her house

Any thoughts on this?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Any thoughts on this?

it is irrelevant...those are my thoughts ...we're stuck with the current guy....and the Progressive agenda....big government, higher taxes and debt, more regulation by and centralization of the fed govt, nationalization...expansion and funding of the govt sector and unions and dependency while kicking the crap out of the private sector, but would things be different with McCain/Palin?...yep..probably ..... I doubt they'd be going down the road detailed above....but Nancy and Harry would still be there....at least till Nov... I'm sure they would have focused on jobs and economic growth a year ago as team Obama is claiming to do now, one year later....they would have more likely been focused on the country...Obama is only focused on himself...

maybe Obama should get an A+ for discrediting his own agenda, sinking the democrats, disproving Keynesian economics and Global Warming, trashing honesty and transparency, exposing Progressiveism.....

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Any thoughts on this?

Sounds like you believe that McCain/Pailin would also have merited a C+/B-.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Any thoughts on this?

My thought is that you're trying to come up with hypothetical circumstances to deflect criticism from a President who you voted for that has not come close to accomplishing the goals he set out to while he was campaigning. Since Obama was the one elected, he's the only one we can judge, not anyone else.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by fishbones

My thought is that you're trying to come up with hypothetical circumstances to deflect criticism from a President who you voted for that has not come close to accomplishing the goals he set out to while he was campaigning. Since Obama was the one elected, he's the only one we can judge, not anyone else.

Fishbones, I see your point I guess...

No deflection intended. I just wanted to see what people thought he would have done different. No reviosionist history here. But.. 'F!' D-! 'F'... just thinking outload what the other 'student' would have done differently...

RIJ: good points.
What was McCain's take on the Bush Bailout money? (NOT being critical of bush, I just can't remember!!) with the congress he would have been dealt, it would have been interesting to see what path he went down.

And yes, he has a history of being bi-partisan, but I'm unsure how successful he would have been passing legislation in this congress

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Fishbones, I see your point I guess...

No deflection intended. I just wanted to see what people thought he would have done different. No reviosionist history here. But.. 'F!' D-! 'F'... just thinking outload what the other 'student' would have done differently...

RIJ: good points.
What was McCain's take on the Bush Bailout money? (NOT being critical of bush, I just can't remember!!) with the congress he would have been dealt, it would have been interesting to see what path he went down.

And yes, he has a history of being bi-partisan, but I'm unsure how successful he would have been passing legislation in this congress

RIROCKHOUND, I would give him a D. My grade is based on him inheriting huge problems and facing an uphill battle on many fronts. D may seem low, but I look at where the country is now as compared to where it was when he took over. If I was basing my grade only on accomplishments vs. what he said he was going to accomplish, he'd get an F. He made lots of promises and has not delivered much of anything. He has increased the size of the goverment while unemployment has gone up. His stimulus plan has not revived or even helped the economy. Transparency? What a joke. His Cash for Clunkers program, well let's just say it sucked. Don't even get me started on the Health Care clusterfunk. He's like a kid that has a bunch of puzzles or art projects and just goes from one to the next wthout competing anything because he has a short attention span. Also, I believe it's time for him to take responsibility. The blaming the last administration is getting real old.