It always makes me chuckle

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

....do remember all the media over the last few years on Iraq and Afghanistan and the military leadership? they were painted as Dark Lords operating for the evil #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney.

Do you consider Moveon.org part of the media?

They were always under fire from congress and painted as incompetent death mongers.....

For a time they were under fire, as civilians in charge of the Legislative Branch wanted answers as to why civilians in charge of the Executive Branch were making so many mistakes.

take a read and see if you notice a change in tone from the media?

So you're blending Moveon.org, some out for political gain in Congress and the media into one convenient soup?

That's mighty convenient of you. Sure makes your argument a lot easier.

Do you also bend spoons?

Here is my favorite part -
"About Iraq he said, "in the three years since the surge was launched, levels of violence down by well over 90 percent now, violent civilian deaths down by well over 90 percent, high-profile attacks down by over 90 percent and all the rest."

hmmm, shouldnt a news report mention that the president and ALL OF THE CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS were against this surge??? Isnt that something to report????? I know, I'm looney.

The report is about the superstar status of the General, not a chapter from a history book.

I'd note there are other Generals worth reading about.

Pick up a copy of "The Fourth Star" which is a great read...or if you're nice I could loan you my copy.

Amazon.com: The Fourth Star: Four Generals and the Epic Struggle for the Future of the United States Army (9780307409065): Greg Jaffe, David Cloud: Books

-spence

[scottw]

I'm thinkin' that Faux-Bama ought to rethink the State of the Union...maybe have the teleprompter prepare a slide show lasting 50 minutes or so.... on Obama's golf game and handicap...since it's the only thing he's actually worked hard at and actually improved over the past year

[justplugit]

Ya, he told the people in Ohio at the Town Meeting ? it
felt good for him to get out of Washington.
Has he ever been there???

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Originally Posted by justplugit

Ya, he told the people in Ohio at the Town Meeting ? it
felt good for him to get out of Washington.
Has he ever been there???

President Obama’s Vacation Days | FactCheck.org

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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

President Obama’s Vacation Days | FactCheck.org

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Let's see on top of the approx month's vacation time, depending on his time out west, going on his word wide Apology tour, accepting his Nobel Peace Prize, a worthless Copenhagen trip, campaigning in Va. and Ma. and 3 times in NJ, and going to Ohio to escape Washington doesn't sound like he's been handcuffed there.

I thought he campaigned so he could be in Washington.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Ya, he told the people in Ohio at the Town Meeting ? it
felt good for him to get out of Washington.
Has he ever been there???

Only for the parties ...

He managed to use the word "I" 57 times in a speech that "wasn't about him" at that town meeting

Factcheck that Spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Do you consider Moveon.org part of the media?-spence

What the media chooses to report is a major "part" of the media. When it uncritically provides a platform for Moveon.org to present its point of view, that message becomes "part" of the media-- especially when that platform is so often provided to what most consider a fringe organisation and not so often given to other fringe organisations that have opposing views.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

What the media chooses to report is a major "part" of the media. When it uncritically provides a platform for Moveon.org to present its point of view, that message becomes "part" of the media-- especially when that platform is so often provided to what most consider a fringe organisation and not so often given to other fringe organisations that have opposing views.

I guess I'm missing something. When again has the "media" provided an uncritical platform for Moveon.org?

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I guess I'm missing something. When again has the "media" provided an uncritical platform for Moveon.org?

-spence

Reporting (to which I was referring when I said "What the media chooses to report") as opposed to editorializing, is supposed to be unbiased, non-critical. (Often, admittedly, it is tainted by the reporter's attitude, tone of voice, facial expression on TV, which questions are asked and which are not, etc.)

So, the uncritical platform was provided every time the "media" reported a Moveon.org rally, protest. And whenever in those reports the "media" stuck a microphone in one of their faces.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

Reporting (to which I was referring when I said "What the media chooses to report") as opposed to editorializing, is supposed to be unbiased, non-critical. (Often, admittedly, it is tainted by the reporter's attitude, tone of voice, facial expression on TV, which questions are asked and which are not, etc.)

So, the uncritical platform was provided every time the "media" reported a Moveon.org rally, protest. And whenever in those reports the "media" stuck a microphone in one of their faces.

Not sure that answers my question.

I watch a lot of news, and about the only time I can even think of Move.on even being mentioned in regular news was during some controversy like the General Betrayus ad, which didn't exactly receive a glowing endorsement. Some of the more liberal MSNBC personalities might mention them here or there.

You appear to be working under the assumption that it must be true as to you they're two peas...

Any anecdotes, examples or references?

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence

Not sure that answers my question.

I watch a lot of news, and about the only time I can even think of Move.on even being mentioned in regular news was during some controversy like the General Betrayus ad, which didn't exactly receive a glowing endorsement. Some of the more liberal MSNBC personalities might mention them here or there.

You appear to be working under the assumption that it must be true as to you they're two peas...

Any anecdotes, examples or references?

-spence

I have to admit to a late-night brain fog re Move.on. I was thinking of Code Pink and all the coverage it got whenever it protested. My bad there. But, in a way, as you say, to me they are sort of two peas in a pod and easy for my right wing conspiratorial mind to meld them.

But, then, ads ARE not only a part of the media, but it's life blood (not just for Limbaugh). And Move.on has made it's bones on the many TV ads and newspaper ads that it has sponsored. It has successfully urged its members to write thousands of letters to the editor to newspapers across the country. It has even used film media to produce a documentary against Fox News and a movie about itself--Moveon: the movie.

So, yeah, it has bought it's way into being a part of the media. The Constitution protects the "press" (media) for the specific purpose of protecting our right to free speech, and Move.on uses that right, through the media, quite well.

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Originally Posted by detbuch

I have to admit to a late-night brain fog re Move.on. I was thinking of Code Pink and all the coverage it got whenever it protested. My bad there. But, in a way, as you say, to me they are sort of two peas in a pod and easy for my right wing conspiratorial mind to meld them.

But, then, ads ARE not only a part of the media, but it's life blood (not just for Limbaugh). And Move.on has made it's bones on the many TV ads and newspaper ads that it has sponsored. It has successfully urged its members to write thousands of letters to the editor to newspapers across the country. It has even used film media to produce a documentary against Fox News and a movie about itself--Moveon: the movie.

So, yeah, it has bought it's way into being a part of the media. The Constitution protects the "press" (media) for the specific purpose of protecting our right to free speech, and Move.on uses that right, through the media, quite well.

I'd wager that most people really don't know much about Moveon.org or Codepink.

I'd even be willing to double down that wager to say that if it weren't for right wing pundits using them as punching bags, the level of exposure would be nearly zero outside of some localized areas.

But there are plenty of right-wing action groups out there as well. Do these not cancel out the liberal ones?

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