Rush and Pat Robertson

[Duke41]

Racism. will it never end. I am so damm sick of it. White, black, muslim ,jew etc.. How can man do great things, go to the moon or paint the Sistine Chapel, still insist on judging people not by there words or deeds but by the color of their skin. Are we never going to get past this?

[BigFish]

And you guys continue to listen to them much less give any credence to anything they have to say? If people would just stop listening to them they will go away!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Racism. will it never end. I am so damm sick of it. White, black, muslim ,jew etc.. How can man do great things, go to the moon or paint the Sistine Chapel, still insist on judging people not by there words or deeds but by the color of their skin. Are we never going to get past this?

I don't know, maybe you should ask Obama, Harry Reid, Bill Clinton and oh..don't forget Jimmy Carter since you mentioned Jews....

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by scottw

I don't know, maybe you should ask...Harry Reid....

Harry Reid could have articulated his point better. What a lot of critics are misundestanding is that it's not so much what is said, but how it's said. The word "negro" is a hell of an anachronism. Given the context (as a democrat), to refer to American black vernacular as a "dialect" is a little careless. But I think he was alluding to an unsung reality that blacks who "make it" often have to live in two worlds. It is very complicated but those that can do that, are the blacks that have better chance of being president. Harry should have put his construction better. Otherwise, he just sounds like another dumb white man. I never liked Harry and all his hyperbole anyway.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Harry Reid could have articulated his point better. What a lot of critics are misundestanding is that it's not so much what is said, but how it's said. The word "negro" is a hell of an anachronism. Given the context (as a democrat), to refer to American black vernacular as a "dialect" is a little careless. But I think he was alluding to an unsung reality that blacks who "make it" often have to live in two worlds. It is very complicated but those that can do that, are the blacks that have better chance of being president. Harry should have put his construction better. Otherwise, he just sounds like another dumb white man. I never liked Harry and all his hyperbole anyway.

I guess you could try to rationalize it that way....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Harry Reid could have articulated his point better. What a lot of critics are misundestanding is that it's not so much what is said, but how it's said. The word "negro" is a hell of an anachronism. Given the context (as a democrat), to refer to American black vernacular as a "dialect" is a little careless. But I think he was alluding to an unsung reality that blacks who "make it" often have to live in two worlds. It is very complicated but those that can do that, are the blacks that have better chance of being president. Harry should have put his construction better. Otherwise, he just sounds like another dumb white man. I never liked Harry and all his hyperbole anyway.

My folks aren't the slightest bit racist but I cring every time they refer to blacks as "colored"
Different times now. Reid is just old school. and perhaps not very bright.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by buckman

My folks aren't the slightest bit racist but I cring every time they refer to blacks as "colored"
Different times now. Reid is just old school. and perhaps not very bright.

maybe they are members/suporters of the NAA"C"P ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

Harry Reid could have articulated his point better. What a lot of critics are misundestanding is that it's not so much what is said, but how it's said. .

Funny, because when Trent Lott and Imus said something racially stupid, no one talked about how it was said, or the context in which it was said. All anybody talked about was specifically what was said.

Democrats, it seems, can say racist things and use "context" as a shield from ramifications. Conservatives don't seem to be given that courtesy.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Funny, because when Trent Lott and Imus said something racially stupid, no one talked about how it was said, or the context in which it was said. All anybody talked about was specifically what was said.

Democrats, it seems, can say racist things and use "context" as a shield from ramifications. Conservatives don't seem to be given that courtesy.

I don't know that Trent Lott's endorsement that segregation would have served the country better is exactly the same thing. What are you asking that I read from that? It's a fairly racist thing to say, but he's from Mississippi with all its historically racial peculiarities. And referring to any woman as ho does not need context, its just disrespectful - black rapper or white talk show radio host.

Harry Reid certainly said something "racially stupid" and demeaning. And he apologized, just like Imus and Lott. But it does not change that the most successful national black politicians, are those that have command over their "blackness". They can turn it off, and then turn it on. Obama has a pretty good handle over this. In colonial New Orleans, light skinned blacks were practically treated as a separate class from the thousands of black Africans arriving on auction blocks. Light skinned blacks, on the plantation house, during those days, were the buffer between masters and black field hand masses. It was in the master's security interest to have a light skinned black who could cross that line into the field and, if not carry out the master's will, inform him of the goings on. There are reams of literature on this subject. Perhaps this will shed a little light on the historical appeal of the "light-skinned negro."

And Harry Reid, in all his chump splendor, recognizes this, even if it is through his own datedly racist veil. Personally, I'd like to see him go.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=EarnedStripes44;740533]
But it does not change that the most successful national black politicians, are those that have command over their "blackness". They can turn it off, and then turn it on. Obama has a pretty good handle over this. In colonial New Orleans, light skinned blacks were practically treated as a separate class from the thousands of black Africans arriving on auction blocks. Light skinned blacks, on the plantation house, during those days, were the buffer between masters and black field hand masses. It was in the master's security interest to have a light skinned black who could cross that line into the field and, if not carry out the master's will, inform him of the goings on. There are reams of literature on this subject. Perhaps this will shed a little light on the historical appeal of the "light-skinned negro."

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WOW, obsessed with color right down to the tint....geez...this is disturbing...we've gone from salvery...to...dreams of a color blind society.... to...success is determined(historically proven) by shades of black supposedly.....?????

so if we were to pay out reparations, I imagine darker folk would be entitled to larger checks than the lighter folk?...right? someone will need to invent a black-o-meter to make this fair...I know...Al Gore...he's a World-Class Inventor

you claim that what Harry said was "racially stupid" and then proceed to claim that it is historically accurate...

which is it?? stupid or accurate?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Funny, because when Trent Lott and Imus said something racially stupid, no one talked about how it was said, or the context in which it was said. All anybody talked about was specifically what was said.

Democrats, it seems, can say racist things and use "context" as a shield from ramifications. Conservatives don't seem to be given that courtesy.

Public forum vs. private conversation.

Nappy-headed hoes vs. older person saying negro

Publicly supporting a racial segregationist vs. stating his race will be an advantage

Racist vs. Realist

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Public forum vs. private conversation.

Private conversations tend to reveal who one is more than do public forums.

Nappy-headed hoes vs. older person saying negro

More or less stupid joke vs. insensitive comment.

Publicly supporting a racial segregationist vs. stating his race will be an advantage

Racist vs. Realist

Harry Reid saluted Trent Lott when the latter retired by saying "I am proud to have worked side-by-side with such a distinguished public servant as Trent Lott".

If Lott's salutation of Thurmond at the latter's 100th birthday party makes him a racist, does Reid's salute to Lott make Reid a racist?

And is racism a matter of degree--a little bit is okay, just don't go too far?

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by Duke41

Racism. will it never end. I am so damm sick of it. White, black, muslim ,jew etc.. How can man do great things, go to the moon or paint the Sistine Chapel, still insist on judging people not by there words or deeds but by the color of their skin. Are we never going to get past this?

I can dig it, what you say writes well.

But this Limbaugh hogwash is about money. And race stuff is talk radio gold. That Rush is an oaf, a fathead, and often his logic is as sharpened as the cysts on his arse, makes it all the more provocative. He has parlayed all of these qualities into a very lucrative talk show personality.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

But this Limbaugh hogwash is about money. And race stuff is talk radio gold. That Rush is an oaf, a fathead, and often his logic is as sharpened as the cysts on his arse, makes it all the more provocative. He has parlayed all of these qualities into a very lucrative talk show personality.

Too bad Rush isn't doing his stuff for free like all those other radio . . . er . . .those other tv . . . er . . .those other movie . . . er . . . those politicians . . . er . . . like all those other great folks who are doing their stuff for free. Then, we might believe in his sincerity. Might pay a little critical attention to some of what he says.

But, since all he ever does is talk racist, oafish, fathead, cystically illogical stuff, that's why he makes a ton of money. And making all that money, of course, thoroughly discredits him.

And, of course, the millions that listen are oafish, fathead, illogical, racist retards.