Is this the Place? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 09:19 AM

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I sanded off the paint on the hydro pencil to find the weight basically in the middle of the plug. It also was pretty much where jigman put his belly weight so I settled on that location and drilled and weighted the plug perpendicular to the hooks and bottom of the plug. You can see weight hole in pic. I put lead flush from one side to other.

Paul .. That horizontal hole you drilled side to side in your spook,, Is that below the center of the plug .. Thanks .. can't tell from pic .. looks like thru wire is towards top of hole ..

George ,, I really like the predator head/bottle plug .. I think your on to something .. I'm gonna copy .. brillant .

Diggin Jiggin · 01-03-2010, 09:28 AM

Well I finally got some stuff started, using soft maple.

I've been messing with the Donny shape that George posted dimensions of for me a few weeks ago. In addition to the surface swimmer it was intended as, I also wanted to experiment with it to see if I could get a deep swimmer with that same basic body shape.

I've also been adding a small tail weight to them and I like having only 1 belly hook so that throws the weighting off a bit so I've done a lot of test swimming this week.

For the lipless diver I extended the nose of the plug 1" and then copied the basic nike head shape. I ended up having to move the line tie higher, and making the head a little larger than the lipped swimmer to increase the size of the diving plane. I also ended up moving the weight forward of the belly hook to get it to dig in. It drops down 2-3 feet on a slow retrieve and will go deeper in current. It swims with a pretty wide wobble, turns left/right about twice as often as a darter.
Its pretty much what I wanted, we'll just have to see if the fish like it next spring.

I also had tried some 2 belly hook versions of the diver, but once I got the single belly hooked ones worked out I decided to turn the 2 belly hooked ones into jointeds. The first one I tried swam great but was just barely subsurface maybe 2-3". I turned a slightly thinner one yesterday that I'm hoping will go deeper.

I also turned some darters but haven't gotten to the point where I screw them up yet.

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Diggin Jiggin

I also turned some darters but haven't gotten to the point where I screw them up yet.

Don't scew them up ... take some time and make a sled ... Take one of those blanks and rip it in half . Lay it on a block of wood like a darter blank and trace ,(bandsaw),leave some stock in the back (arse of plug).. mark where you want your belly hole .. On sled drill out belly hole and glue in a 3/8 dowel there or whatever you, you use for a belly hole .. In back of sled drill hole where the arse hole of plug is .. Now pre drill belly/arse of blanks ,, slip belly hole of blank over the dowel and screw the arse with and 1.5 drywall screw .. Blank should be held firmly in the sled so you can make square cuts at 90 degrees ..(bandsaw),, Make a pattern ,, trace darter profile,, leave a little line .. touch up beltsander to line ..

Diggin Jiggin · 01-03-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tagger

Don't scew them up ... take some time and make a sled ... Take one of those blanks and rip it in half . Lay it on a block of wood like a darter blank and trace ,(bandsaw),leave some stock in the back (arse of plug).. mark where you want your belly hole .. On sled drill out belly hole and glue in a 3/8 dowel there or whatever you, you use for a belly hole .. In back of sled drill hole where the arse hole of plug is .. Now pre drill belly/arse of blanks ,, slip belly hole of blank over the dowel and screw the arse with and 1.5 drywall screw .. Blank should be held firmly in the sled so you can make square cuts at 90 degrees ..(bandsaw),, Make a pattern ,, trace darter profile,, leave a little line .. touch up beltsander to line ..

Funny enough the band saw is not my issue.
The two problems I have is getting the table saw cut just the right height in relation to the thru hole and then sanding the bevel after the bandsaw cut. Sometimes I swear if I look with the left eye they tilt one way, try the right eye and its tilted the other. Back and forth we go...

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Diggin Jiggin

Funny enough the band saw is not my issue.
The two problems I have is getting the table saw cut just the right height in relation to the thru hole and then sanding the bevel after the bandsaw cut. Sometimes I swear if I look with the left eye they tilt one way, try the right eye and its tilted the other. Back and forth we go...

all on the bandsaw Dave ,, no table saw ..try it .. hold your sled flat on the table ,,cut beak,slope,, everything .. key is your blank firmly in sled,,then its just along for the ride

Diggin Jiggin · 01-03-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tagger

all on the bandsaw Dave ,, no table saw ..try it .. hold your sled flat on the table ,,cut beak,slope,, everything .. key is your blank firmly in sled,,then its just along for the ride

Thats a good idea Eddie. I'll have to try that.

eastendlu · 01-03-2010, 11:34 AM

Morning all i have been off all week and forgot what day it was

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numbskull · 01-03-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Diggin Jiggin

Sometimes I swear if I look with the left eye they tilt one way, try the right eye and its tilted the other. Back and forth we go...

EXACTLY TRUE!!!!!!!!!. I resanded a whole batch of darters last year then figured out my glasses make them twist depending on which eye I sight them with.

Eddy's jig is the way to go, but you need a vertical beltsander since the jig will be on its side.

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 10:26 AM

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Eddy's jig is the way to go, but you need a vertical beltsander since the jig will be on its side.

I just have a hand held BS cleated on the side of the bench .. If your bandsaw blade is decent you barely have to touch them ..

numbskull · 01-03-2010, 10:34 AM

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I just have a hand held BS cleated on the side of the bench .. If your bandsaw blade is decent you barely have to touch them ..

I've got BS all over the place, but it doesn't help. Does that mean I need a new bandsaw?

Sgt Striper · 01-03-2010, 10:19 AM

Good morning and Happy New Year to everyone!! Just got up, kinda lazy today. Was away for the past week and will probably work on the large Nike again ( trying to get some 8/4 cedar or pine) Small one is done and is ready for paint. Next project is to finish up large surfster and work on some pikies. Going to use original C.C. paint schemes on them.
Got some Tiger maple when I was out in Pa. last week and will be concentrating on finishing a Huntboard I started months ago, and finishing two Shaker sewing tables I also have sitting around, so the plugbuilding will be on hold a few weeks.

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 10:29 AM

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Good morning and Happy New Year to everyone!! Just got up, kinda lazy today. Was away for the past week and will probably work on the large Nike again ( trying to get some 8/4 cedar or pine)

Happy New year Sgt. ... sorry ,,. unless your a truck driver and your near stoughton ma. (downes and reader) ,, Don't know resources in NJ ..

Sgt Striper · 01-03-2010, 10:35 AM

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Happy New year Sgt. ... sorry ,,. unless your a truck driver and your near stoughton ma. (downes and reader) ,, Don't know resources in NJ ..

I know where I can get some but to lazy to take the ride, plus the prices on wood is starting to get out of control. The guy I get my AYC from has not ordered any in two months because of the price. The tiger maple I just got cost me $9.00 bf

, paid $7.00 bf about six months ago!

Tagger · 01-03-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Diggin Jiggin

I also turned some darters but haven't gotten to the point where I screw them up yet.

forgot ... also make a "bed" too .. Same thing as sled minus belly dowell and arse screw part .. Use this on your drill press table to drill belly holes in blanks .. So blanks aren't all rolly poly and belly holes drill square .. if that makes any sense

ProfessorM · 01-03-2010, 12:57 PM

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Paul .. That horizontal hole you drilled side to side in your spook,, Is that below the center of the plug .. Thanks .. can't tell from pic .. looks like thru wire is towards top of hole ..

G.

right thru on center and redrill lead after. The Youzuri had a round ball like a 00 buckshot and was on center. I have not put one below center but might be worth a shot. I also put a belly weight right directly below the horizontal weight too but to be honest i can tell which one it is as I made several last year and hid the darn weights so well i couldn't tell which was which so i disassembled the ones that i used that i liked and found out where the weight was but have not found the one with the belly and thu weight yet. I may not have swam it last year. I now don't try to be too fussy with belly weights so i can tell what I did.