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12-03-2009, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Hypothetical and IMO wrong. Not to mention what would have happened when his brutal sons took power. Saddam and his family killed thousands and thousands of thier own people. I guess that's just not important either. He was Ok in power in your book.
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If hypothetical and wrong, explain and support the reasons why.
I don't think it was Ok for Saddam to be in power, just like I don't think it's ok for many of the leaders of African countries to be in power. However, the US * is not the world's police force*, something you have agreed with me on numerous times. Sorry to everyone else, but we have enough of our own problems in this country. When we don't have veterans sleeping on park benches, children in soup kitchens and an ever increasing crime rate nation-wide, then we can focus on other countries. Until then, it's not our problem to fix on our own - the international community as a whole should step in to fix those problems.
After the WMD reasons and supporting terrorism reasons for war failed, the Bush administration spun the topic to say "hey, Saddam is a really bad guy. We've liberated the Iraqi people. We succeeded." Strangely, that's not at all what the presented reasons for going to war were.
At the end of this, there will be no "success" in Iraq. The "mission" (whatever it's been spun into now) will never be accomplished. |
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12-03-2009, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
If hypothetical and wrong, explain and support the reasons why.
I don't think it was Ok for Saddam to be in power, just like I don't think it's ok for many of the leaders of African countries to be in power. However, the US *is not the world's police force*, something you have agreed with me on numerous times. Sorry to everyone else, but we have enough of our own problems in this country. When we don't have veterans sleeping on park benches, children in soup kitchens and an ever increasing crime rate nation-wide, then we can focus on other countries. Until then, it's not our problem to fix on our own - the international community as a whole should step in to fix those problems.
After the WMD reasons and supporting terrorism reasons for war failed, the Bush administration spun the topic to say "hey, Saddam is a really bad guy. We've liberated the Iraqi people. We succeeded." Strangely, that's not at all what the presented reasons for going to war were.
At the end of this, there will be no "success" in Iraq. The "mission" (whatever it's been spun into now) will never be accomplished.
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You are 100% wrong saying that we are not the worlds police force, we have always been the worlds police force, we are still in Korea and Japan. Kuwait started this whole mess in the middle east. We should never had stopped the Jews in the six day war. The only reason that it was a six day war is because the US stopped them from conquering the rest of the middle east.
We have not liberated the Iragi people, they can't have a barcadi and coke without thinking they may be bombed while sitting at a sidewalk cafe.
There were WMD's, ask the Kurds when 80,000 women and children were bombed and gased in one day in 1988 or 89. Apparently you do not think 80,000 is mass destruction. |
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12-03-2009, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
There were WMD's, ask the Kurds when 80,000 women and children were bombed and gased in one day in 1988 or 89. Apparently you do not think 80,000 is mass destruction.
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Apparently you did not read the entire thread. I never denied that Saddam possessed WMDs *at one time*. However, there were not the massive stockpiles and manufacturing facilities as reported during the buildup to war. |
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12-04-2009, 10:40 AM
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Johnny, why are you letting them flog you around with such simple rhetorical trickery?
Funny part is, it's probably unintentional 
-spence |
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12-04-2009, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Johnny, why are you letting them flog you around with such simple rhetorical trickery?
Funny part is, it's probably unintentional
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He can't help himself 
I think I know why you like Obama so much.  |
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12-04-2009, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Johnny, why are you letting them flog you around with such simple rhetorical trickery?
Funny part is, it's probably unintentional
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You're right.  |
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12-04-2009, 02:10 PM
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wmd's went to Syria secretly i believe  |
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12-04-2009, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven
wmd's went to Syria secretly i believe |
If that's the case, we're in seriously more danger than before the war. |
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12-04-2009, 02:50 PM
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a whole crap load of cash and gold from Saddam's stash was apprehended in route to Syria so i can only imagine that he was able to make a deal for his extended family with a big trade off there.
There's allot of stuff hidden under the sand !!
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12-06-2009, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
If that's the case, we're in seriously more danger than before the war.
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STOP DOING IT!!!
-spence |
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12-06-2009, 01:42 PM
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Six Day War,comment to Fly Rod,
Fly Rod;" We should never had stopped the Jews in the six day war. The only reason that it was a six day war is because the US stopped them from conquering the rest of the middle east."
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While I agree with much of what you have wriiten previouly, on the above quote I hope you were kidding but as a friend of Isreal I believe they could not have "Conquerd the rest of the Middle East" They could have essentialy destoyed most of the Arab countrys connventional armies,(heck they have had to essentialy do that several times. Lets look at some numbers,these are latest I could find with fast search but give accurate idea of the scope of situation. Isreal: Population APROX. 6 Million. Jewish people despised by most of the following. Saudi Arabia:Population apox. 22 Million, Eygpt : Aprox. 65 Million, Syria around 16 million, Jordan 4 million+, Iraq 35 Million. Lets be realistic. It would just NOT be do able for Israel to occupy an area the size of Middle east unless they change the saying "NEVER AGAIN" to- Lets Do IT TO THEM. Not politically possable, moraly wrong and would destroy our friends the Israelies in short order.I,ll stop there but are about a million other reasons why not.Its not even worth the oil most of those countrys sit on. Respectfuly, belmont116
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