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11-10-2009, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
At some point, someone will actually support the allegation that this was "an act of terrorism." How again was he trying to incite fear and influence government?
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Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?
Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:
Cultural Dictionary
terrorism
Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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11-10-2009, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
Johnny, you don't need to stick to your one narrow definition of terrorism. Although, I would say that walking into a room filled with military personnel and civilians armed to the teeth and opening fire would certainly be a way of "inciting fear". Would you agree?
Anyways, here is a definition of terrorism I found:
Cultural Dictionary
terrorism
Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target. (See also September 11 attacks, Osama bin Laden, Hezbollah, and Basque region.)
The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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The guy that opened fire on students at Virginia Tech certainly could be said to have "incited fear." Was he a terrorist?
The difference between your definition and the one I posted is that mine is the *actual* formal definition of terrorism. But, if you'd like to base the incident on yours, it still wasn't a terrorist act.
Thank you for supporting my point.
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11-21-2009, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
The guy that opened fire on students at Virginia Tech certainly could be said to have "incited fear." Was he a terrorist?
The difference between your definition and the one I posted is that mine is the *actual* formal definition of terrorism. But, if you'd like to base the incident on yours, it still wasn't a terrorist act.
Thank you for supporting my point.
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Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts? You really know how to change direction to support your own arguments. You don't need to take one piece of a definition and apply it to one specific incident to make a point. It makes you look unintelligent and we know you aren't that.
Read the following article and see if you are still 100% convinced that this wasn't a terrorist act. Pay special attention to the comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin. Also, keep in mind that I never claimed this was an act of terrorism. I only said that there are people who feel it is and there may be reason for them to think it is.
Hasan had intensified contact with cleric - Washington Post- msnbc.com
By the way, thanks for supporting my point.
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11-21-2009, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts? You really know how to change direction to support your own arguments. You don't need to take one piece of a definition and apply it to one specific incident to make a point. It makes you look unintelligent and we know you aren't that.
Read the following article and see if you are still 100% convinced that this wasn't a terrorist act. Pay special attention to the comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin. Also, keep in mind that I never claimed this was an act of terrorism. I only said that there are people who feel it is and there may be reason for them to think it is.
Hasan had intensified contact with cleric - Washington Post- msnbc.com
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I'd be curious to see if they have enough evidence to indict the cleric who's apparently been watched as someone who incites violence.
-spence
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11-21-2009, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts?
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I'm not sure any definition really counts, unless one is willing to define the reaction to the deserving action.
-spence
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