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[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Unfortunately, Jones was extremely well qualified for the position of Green Jobs Czar. I'm not...

-spence

Are you serious? Just cause hes a huge protester and communist, doensnt make him qualified. You are much more qualified that Jones....You are not a communist and you're my favorite tree hugging left wing nut out there...

I vote for Spence!!

[justplugit]

It's been reported that he never filled out the vetting paper work.
Who ever got a job without filling out the application?

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

It's been reported that he never filled out the vetting paper work.
Who ever got a job without filling out the application?

From what I heard the paperwork is more for appointees who require confirmation. The czar positions are a little more relaxed.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

The czar positions are a little more relaxed.

-spence

Ya, i agree Spence, they couldn't get much more relaxed then that.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

From what I heard the paperwork is more for appointees who require confirmation. The czar positions are a little more relaxed.

-spence

That's exactly why Obama has so many Czars. They don't have to be approved or confirmed like cabinet members. I'm sure if you looked into the backgrounds of a lot of his Czar cronies, you'd find things that would prevent them from being confirmed by even liberal members of the Senate.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

That's exactly why Obama has so many Czars. They don't have to be approved or confirmed like cabinet members. I'm sure if you looked into the backgrounds of a lot of his Czar cronies, you'd find things that would prevent them from being confirmed by even liberal members of the Senate.

Eh. Bush had over 30 different czars during his time in office, none of which were official vetted.

This isn't a brand new thing in the executive branch. This czar business developed during the early years of the Bush administration. The Republican Congress changed the regulations for presidential advisers, giving person advisers to the president "executive privilege" (Cheney's favorite buzz-phrase) and not being required to have background checks or be approved.

Entertainingly, Glenn Beck (who's started a lot of the yelling about czars) states that George Bush had 4 czars and Obama has "16 and counting." "Fair and Balanced" my ass.

A bigger concern for me is Obama appointing a former UAW member as Manufacturing Czar. I believe the UAW to be a figurative bucket of concrete in which the automotive companies feet were cemented into before they went overboard.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Eh. Bush had over 30 different czars during his time in office, none of which were official vetted.

This isn't a brand new thing in the executive branch. This czar business developed during the early years of the Bush administration. The Republican Congress changed the regulations for presidential advisers, giving person advisers to the president "executive privilege" (Cheney's favorite buzz-phrase) and not being required to have background checks or be approved.

Entertainingly, Glenn Beck (who's started a lot of the yelling about czars) states that George Bush had 4 czars and Obama has "16 and counting." "Fair and Balanced" my ass.

A bigger concern for me is Obama appointing a former UAW member as Manufacturing Czar. I believe the UAW to be a figurative bucket of concrete in which the automotive companies feet were cemented into before they went overboard.

Stop just making stuff up. First off, Bush was not nearly the first President to have Czars. They've been around for about 30 years. Don't you remember Reagan making a big splash with the appointment of the Drug Czar many years ago?

Second, Bush had 30 over 8 years. He did not have 30 at all times during his tenure in office. Many were for specific, topical issues and were not long term. The total number of people in the positions was higher, as there was turnover during the 8 years.

Obama's been in office for 8 months and he already has 28, not 16.

Herb Allison - TARP Czar
Alan Bersin - Border Czar
Dennis Blair - Intelligence Czar
John Brennan - Terrorism Czar
Carol Browner - Energy Czar
Adolfo Carrion, Jr - Urban Affairs Czar
Ashton Carter - Weapons Czar
Aneesh Chopra - Technology Czar
Jeffrey Crowley - AIDS Czar
Cameron Davis - Great Lakes Czar
Nancy-Ann DeParle - Health Czar
Earl Devaney - Stimulus Accountability Czar
Joshua DuBois - Faith-based Czar
Kenneth Feinberg - Pay Czar
Danny Fried -Guantanamo Closure Czar
J. Scott Gration - Sudan Czar
Richard Holbrooke - Afghanistan Czar
John Holdren - Science Czar
(OPEN) - Green Jobs Czar
Gil Kerlikowske Drug Czar
Vivek Kundra - Information Czar
George Mitchell - Mideast Peace Czar
Ed Montgomery - Car Czar
Dennis Ross - Mideast Policy Czar
Gary Samore - WMD Czar
Todd Stern - Climate Czar
Cass Sunstein - Regulatory Czar
Paul Volcker - Economic Czar

Are you comfortable with Obama's other choice's besides Van Jones? How much do you know about these people? No need to answer with any facts, just use more Glen Beck stuff.

[spence]

What's the problem with Obama's czars? It seems just like a slightly different management strategy, where he can apply a point person to an important topic, rather than have it get lost in the government chaos.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Stop just making stuff up. First off, Bush was not nearly the first President to have Czars. They've been around for about 30 years. Don't you remember Reagan making a big splash with the appointment of the Drug Czar many years ago?

Second, Bush had 30 over 8 years. He did not have 30 at all times during his tenure in office. Many were for specific, topical issues and were not long term. The total number of people in the positions was higher, as there was turnover during the 8 years.

Obama's been in office for 8 months and he already has 28, not 16.

Herb Allison - TARP Czar
Alan Bersin - Border Czar
Dennis Blair - Intelligence Czar
John Brennan - Terrorism Czar
Carol Browner - Energy Czar
Adolfo Carrion, Jr - Urban Affairs Czar
Ashton Carter - Weapons Czar
Aneesh Chopra - Technology Czar
Jeffrey Crowley - AIDS Czar
Cameron Davis - Great Lakes Czar
Nancy-Ann DeParle - Health Czar
Earl Devaney - Stimulus Accountability Czar
Joshua DuBois - Faith-based Czar
Kenneth Feinberg - Pay Czar
Danny Fried -Guantanamo Closure Czar
J. Scott Gration - Sudan Czar
Richard Holbrooke - Afghanistan Czar
John Holdren - Science Czar
(OPEN) - Green Jobs Czar
Gil Kerlikowske Drug Czar
Vivek Kundra - Information Czar
George Mitchell - Mideast Peace Czar
Ed Montgomery - Car Czar
Dennis Ross - Mideast Policy Czar
Gary Samore - WMD Czar
Todd Stern - Climate Czar
Cass Sunstein - Regulatory Czar
Paul Volcker - Economic Czar

Are you comfortable with Obama's other choice's besides Van Jones? How much do you know about these people? No need to answer with any facts, just use more Glen Beck stuff.

What exactly did I make up? I never said Bush was the first person to have czars. I said it developed under him. Reagan's Drug Czar was his *only* czar. For example, Previous Presidential Czars:
Reagan: 1
George H. W. Bush: 2
Clinton: 6
George W. Bush: 35
Obama: 32

From 6 under Clinton to 35 under Bush demonstrates some development in the Czar positions. All of which is attributed to the change by Congress in the Congressional vetting process not being required. Czars are also exempt from FBI background checks, even though all Czars can be informed on any Top Secrets of the US.

Taking a second look, the Beck post was dated a couple months ago (my oversight), but doesn't change him stating (rather, lying) that Bush had 4 czars and Obama has 16 (and counting) in order to push his "Fair and Balanced" position.

I'm not comfortable at all with the Czar position. Wasn't under Bush, still am not under Obama. There should be background checks and a vetting process for anyone working at that level of our government. Still doesn't change that this isn't some new thing made up by Obama, as is being fabricated by the Right.

**Edit** One additional thing, looking at the list you posted, many items on that list would fall under what you dubbed "specific, topical issues." Guantanamo, TARP, Great Lakes, Stimulus Accountability, Afghanistan.