Single Payer Suitors

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

It wasn't that belief in God or gun rights is bad, but when a person clings to a single wedge issue at the expense of all others, that it can be shortsighted in the grand scheme of things.

-spence

Would you then consider anyone clinging to the HC Bill, when it is for less than 10% of the population,
and will be at the expense and affect the HC of all others, shortsighted in the grand scheme of things?
After all, 80% of the American people like their HC.

Let's fix it within our current programs, no need to upset the whole apple cart.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Would you then consider anyone clinging to the HC Bill, when it is for less than 10% of the population,
and will be at the expense and affect the HC of all others, shortsighted in the grand scheme of things?
After all, 80% of the American people like their HC.

Providing health care to all Americans is only one facet of the legislation, the bigger problem is the looming entitlement crisis and rising private costs.

Put into proper context then it's not for just 10%...nearly all of us will be on Medicare some day.

That being said, it's clear the current proposals focus more of the former and less on the (more important) latter.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

...nearly all of us will be on Medicare some day.

-spence

That's exactly my point, fix the programs that are in the system now.

Start with immediate savings, Tort reform and allowing interstate competition among health care providers.

[scottw]

problem is, their goal is not to fix or improve healthcare...




Crisis Strategy was the brainchild of two radical socialist college professors, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The idea was to overwhelm government with demands for services to the point where the system would collapse and provide an opening for the socialists to take over. Their strategy was behind creation of the National Welfare Rights Organization in the 1960s and 1970s which dramatically increased the welfare roles and caused the near bankruptcy of New York City in 1975; creation of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), prime instigators of the mortgage meltdown; the national Motor Voter law signed by President Clinton in 1993, which opened the floodgates to vote fraud by ACORN and similar groups; and the illegal immigrant amnesty movement. Barack Obama worked with and trained ACORN workers for many years.


Healthcare nationalization is a major component of this strategy. As Lenin said, "Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism." The Left has agitated as far back as the 1930s for some kind of socialized healthcare system. Their dream was partially realized with creation of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965. The stated goal of these programs was to provide comprehensive healthcare for seniors and the poor. As the programs grew, the Left clamored for ever more benefits to these groups and ever expanding definitions of covered individuals. Illegal immigration, also encouraged by the Left, has contributed to a rapidly growing pool of beneficiaries.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

That's exactly my point, fix the programs that are in the system now.

Start with immediate savings, Tort reform and allowing interstate competition among health care providers.

Well, there's a pretty good argument that says the system needs to be re-engineered rather than re-tooled. I don't know if you can bring tens of millions of new people into a dysfunctional system and expect some potentially modest (or longer term) cost savings to offset.

What's interesting in all of this, is that the plan most liked by the Whitehouse hasn't even been put out for public consumption. All this bickering is about the progressive plan from the House which doesn't stand a chance of moving forward as is.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, there's a pretty good argument that says the system needs to be re-engineered rather than re-tooled. I don't know if you can bring tens of millions of new people into a dysfunctional system and expect some potentially modest (or longer term) cost savings to offset.

What's interesting in all of this, is that the plan most liked by the Whitehouse hasn't even been put out for public consumption. All this bickering is about the progressive plan from the House which doesn't stand a chance of moving forward as is.

-spence

Just about all the Government plans, Soc. Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nowthe Postal Service are close to bankruptcy.

These Government programs are always seen as an affordable panacea and end up costing billions and now trillions
more then projected.

Doesn't bode well for another Government plan that will prove unaffordable
and put even more burden on my kids and Grandkids.

I agree that the current ridiculous Congressional program doesn't look like it will make it through as is,
fortunately Obama wasn't able to force it through 2 weeks ago like he wanted!

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

fortunately Obama wasn't able to force it through 2 weeks ago like he wanted!

I think Obama was just looking for a vote, not actually getting anything through...

The word is the Whitehouse has worked a number of inside deals with the Industry and is waiting to put these in the Senate bill.

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

I think Obama was just looking for a vote, not actually getting anything through...


-spence

That is a looong reach. Obama would have given up his LEFT arm to
pass that bill exactly the way it was.