Big Papi = Big Cheater

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

it is a real shame but you can't blame 100 bad apples compared to all the other clean guys in the game. You have to look at it like that or you will give up the game. Just release all the names and move on. There will be no surprises and the ones that cheated will be exposed and their records will have ******* next to their names and fans will know and that is that and move on. Time heals all wounds and it will pass. To good of a game to be ruined by this.

Paul---I'd be willing to bet that there weren't 100 clean guys in the game at the height of juicing. Canseco--who's been proven right about almost everything in his book--said it was something like 85% of the players in MLB. I'm thinking he might even have been on the low side. Don't forget that the union warned all of the players well in advance that these "anonymous" tests were going to be given. The fact that 104 players still tested positive is amazing and just the tip of the iceberg.

Also--if you guys think that Manny and Papi were the only two guys on the Sox juicing--I have a bridge to sell you.

And while I agree that Rose should be in the Hall--let's not forget that he cut a deal with Fay Vincent, the Commissioner at the time--he accepted the lifetime ban, including HOF ineligibility, in return for baseball keeping the nature and extent of his gambling secret. Then, almost immediately, he started lobbying the press for reinstatement, and to this very day, continues to deny that he ever bet on baseball.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Mike P

And while I agree that Rose should be in the Hall--let's not forget that he cut a deal with Fay Vincent, the Commissioner at the time--he accepted the lifetime ban, including HOF ineligibility, in return for baseball keeping the nature and extent of his gambling secret. Then, almost immediately, he started lobbying the press for reinstatement, and to this very day, continues to deny that he ever bet on baseball.

Bart Giamatti was the one who initially banned him. His unexpected death has thrown a all subsequent commissioners in a bind as they don't want to be theone who overrules Giamatti.

[mosholu]

I have to agree with Mike P that the number is much higher than what has been disclosed. The players of the current generation are no different than the players that took amphetamines, etc. in the 50s and 60s. Pro athletes have been using drugs to enhance their performance for as long as they have been around and we should except that in very rare cases most highly competitive people given the money and pressure of their environment will look for an edge whatever the source.