Cool beans def of a liberal:

[scottw]

yeah, you are right ROCK..probably never...still think it should be a "person's right to choose" liberal or logical? can it be both ? because with the way that you couched it , you exclude one by chosing the other...


JD....we can all find common ground...

[Cool Beans]

Scott and Johnny, you guys have a very good point there on abortion. In so much as the man's rights in the whole ordeal.

Think about this one though,

Say I am your neighbor and have a female golden retriever, who becomes pregnant with your black lab as the father. I then give my dog something that makes it sick and causes her to abort the puppies. You call the cops on me and I get arrested.

How are those puppies worth more than a human baby?

Bottom line is people need to be responsible when it comes to sex.

Those points you quoted me on were "taken out of context" ... lol...
I just had to say that..

I honestly meant to pick a few things that came to mind on Spence being a Lib. On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn. It's nothing new, and I don't see why liberals always get upset when they are called a liberal. Be proud of what you are! You call me a "Right wing ultra Conservative wacko" and I think "Hell Ya!!" There is nothing wrong with being a Liberal, Having Liberals and Conservatives in this country promote growth and hopefully make our country stronger.

If we did everything "my way" every other country would hate us for having all the $$$ and pushing them around. While on the other hand, if we did everything his way, we would be bankrupt and everyone would think we were pussies. It takes a mix of left wing wackos and right wing nuts to make this country great.

If nothing else, it keeps the other countries on their toes. They don't know if we are going to "Kick their teeth in" or roll over and "take it in the ***".

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Cool Beans;693617]
I honestly meant to pick a few things that came to mind on Spence being a Lib. On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn.


Yup, all he does is regurgitate lefty talking points constantly, once he runs out of them there's very little SUBSTANCE...kinda like when Obma's teleprompter goes on the fritz...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

Yup, all he does is regurgitate lefty talking points constantly, once he runs out of them there's very little SUBSTANCE...kinda like when Obma's teleprompter goes on the fritz...

But to be fair, typically your posts are a one line comment then a copy/paste of some conservative's commentary.

[Backbeach Jake]

I believe everyone sould have health insurance. That doesn't keep them chained to a job. If you leave your job now, you lose your insurance, or pay outragous money for it when you have none. Some jobs places are unbearable, insureance shouldn't force you to stay there. I've had such a job, quit it and risked my health without insurance for a few months. Perscriptions can be mind blowingly pricey...
I believe that a person has a right to work under a contract, if that means union then so be it. But it should be in writing that if I do "X" then I get paid "Y". No change the rules for eithe side for the sake of "convenience".
I believe that everyone who works as hard as I do and has a little luck as I have should have what I have. A house, a car, decent food on the table, and a little left sometimes. That's not so much.
I believe that lending institutions should say no if a borrower doesn't qualify. Doing anything less is preditory and self serving. And will ultimately destroy the borrower. They should also help and educate the potential borrower, instead of expecting things to work out...
I believe that any manufacturer who ships jobs offshore should pay tarrifs equal to the welfare and unemployment that will now be paid to their former American employees. Throw in the tuitions and mortgages that default as a result of their actions as well.
I believe that our system for lawsuits has mad cow. It needs to be fixed.
I could go on and on but my two fingers are aching now....

[detbuch]

[QUOTE=Backbeach Jake;693658]I believe everyone sould have health insurance. That doesn't keep them chained to a job. If you leave your job now, you lose your insurance, or pay outragous money for it when you have none. Some jobs places are unbearable, insureance shouldn't force you to stay there. I've had such a job, quit it and risked my health without insurance for a few months. Perscriptions can be mind blowingly pricey...[END QUOTE]

Obama should use this reason as a MAIN attraction for passing universal healthcare insurance--so you can leave your job if you don't like it. If the workplace is that bad, everyone can leave and we can ship THOSE jobs offshore with the others we've lost.

[QUOTE-backbeach]I believe that a person has a right to work under a contract, if that means union then so be it. But it should be in writing that if I do "X" then I get paid "Y". No change the rules for eithe side for the sake of "convenience". [END QUOTE]

You mean like a guaranteed lifetime job where you renegotiate every three years for increases because three years is up? And with the Universal Health Insurance you can up and leave when you don't like it, but the employer can't leave you when he doesn't like you?

[QUOTE--backbeach]I believe that everyone who works as hard as I do and has a little luck as I have should have what I have. A house, a car, decent food on the table, and a little left sometimes. That's not so much. [END QUOTE]

Most who work as hard as you and have the same luck do have those things, if they don't squander. What's the beef?

[QUOTE--backbeach]I believe that lending institutions should say no if a borrower doesn't qualify. Doing anything less is preditory and self serving. And will ultimately destroy the borrower. They should also help and educate the potential borrower, instead of expecting things to work out...[ENDQUOTE]

Institutions (conservative ones) did (and still do) say no to borrowers who didn't qualify until liberal politicians devised legislation and a government agency to lend otherwise. And the "predatory" lending destroyed lenders more than borrowers.

[QUOTE--backbeach]I believe that any manufacturer who ships jobs offshore should pay tarrifs equal to the welfare and unemployment that will now be paid to their former American employees. Throw in the tuitions and mortgages that default as a result of their actions as well. [END QUOTE]

So, you're permanently stuck in one spot and this entitles you to paid tuition and mortgage and welfare. And how DARE any company move away from you. Make the bastard pay for your immobile, unchangeable, comfort. You're entitled because . . . you're an American and Americans have always been entitled to a comfortable, immobile, little worker's paradise. That's what the Revolution was, or SHOULD have been, about. Yup, you do sound like a liberal.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn. It's nothing new, and I don't see why liberals always get upset when they are called a liberal. Be proud of what you are!

Not at all, I'm not defending the Obama position but rather exposing unbalance in the arguments posted.

For example...

People have been grilling Obama for the 2009+ budget deficits. I have not endorsed large deficits but rather argued that Obama has inherited a lot of the problem.

Big difference. I see this as objectivity, you see this as endorsement.

-spence