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EarnedStripes44 · 04-21-2009, 03:29 PM

Fresh fruit delivered to his residence...

spence · 04-21-2009, 05:02 PM

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

Raven · 04-21-2009, 05:20 PM

in that part of the world
he may have already killed
a hundred human beings.
so age of innocence is irrelevant

buckman · 04-21-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

This is why the world is going to hell. You are making excuses for someone that may or may not be 16. He is a criminal. just like the kids in Columbine and the thugs that kill each other on the streets of Boston. Everyones a damn victim now.
That kid is no pawn and he has seen more and done more then you and I. They live a tough life, but not all become pirates. Give me a break.

spence · 04-21-2009, 05:54 PM

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This is why the world is going to hell. You are making excuses for someone that may or may not be 16. He is a criminal. just like the kids in Columbine and the thugs that kill each other on the streets of Boston. Everyones a damn victim now.
That kid is no pawn and he has seen more and done more then you and I. They live a tough life, but not all become pirates. Give me a break.

You didn't read my post, you just had a knee jerk hissy fit.

Funny, I knew you would

-spence

Mike P · 04-21-2009, 06:53 PM

Anyone care to hazard a guess on what the conviction rate is in the Federal courts? You guys must think they're going to haul this guy in front of a typical Massachusetts District Court judge

I'd bet you on a long stretch in a max secure Federal prison but I think I'd be stealing your money

Cool Beans · 04-21-2009, 07:19 PM

We should start a pool as to who is closest to the punishment this punk gets. Winner gets some plugs or something.

Used to be anyone caught involved in piracy were shot on site, or hanged the day after their "trial" (may not have been much of a trial but efficient).

Cool Beans · 04-21-2009, 07:24 PM

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I'd bet you on a long stretch in a max secure Federal prison but I think I'd be stealing your money

If the kid is only 16, like his Mom says, I can't see any long term punishments. A minor can just about get away with murder and get sent to Juvenal Hall. I'm sure it will all spin out that he was forced into it, maybe some sort of threat to his family if he didn't. Something will come up, that will pull the heart strings of the media and in turn the left and he may never see a federal court room.

justplugit · 04-21-2009, 07:31 PM

Guess ya havta do a carbon test on him first to determine his true age.

JohnnyD · 04-21-2009, 08:40 PM

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If the kid is only 16, like his Mom says, I can't see any long term punishments. A minor can just about get away with murder and get sent to Juvenal Hall. I'm sure it will all spin out that he was forced into it, maybe some sort of threat to his family if he didn't. Something will come up, that will pull the heart strings of the media and in turn the left and he may never see a federal court room.

He's being charged as an Adult. No brief trips to juvey for him.

buckman · 04-21-2009, 09:37 PM

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The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

Sounds like the ground work being set by his lawyers to me, Spence.
You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Sometimes in the same post.

spence · 04-22-2009, 05:50 AM

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You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Sometimes in the same post.

Actually, it's called objectivity.

-spence

Raider Ronnie · 04-22-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

You ever stop and think that's exactly why he jumped on the US boat in the first place?

I'm sure he's going to be held accountable for his actions (as he should) but this isn't the person to make an example of. A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

You are something else defending this friggin criminal !!!

spence · 04-23-2009, 03:56 AM

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You are something else defending this friggin criminal !!!

Can you read?

-spence

buckman · 04-23-2009, 02:00 PM

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Can you read?

-spence

I think what you wrote Spence could be taken as excuse making. IMO

spence · 04-23-2009, 02:15 PM

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I think what you wrote Spence could be taken as excuse making. IMO

I clearly stated I thought he would be held accountable and that I agreed that he should. That isn't excuse making.

Pointing out that Somalia is a %$%$%$%$hole, and that he's a product of perhaps the most broken country on the planet isn't making excuses, it's reality.

It seems as though many people simply can't comprehend an alternate point of view. For instance, to try to understand the rage that drives a Palestinian teenager to strap a bomb to themselves.

To do so doesn't mean you're attempting to justify or legitimize their actions, and perhaps more importantly, with a broader understanding one can prescribe better solutions.

As Sun Tzu said:

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“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

-spence

buckman · 04-23-2009, 03:56 PM

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A bullet Buck? The kid is 16 and has probably seen little more than poverty and violence his entire life. These kids are pawns, they need to go after the big fish...

-spence

You forgot this part?

spence · 04-23-2009, 04:51 PM

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You forgot this part?

That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way.

They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's.

That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes, a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

-spence

buckman · 04-23-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way.

They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's.

That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes, a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

-spence

I believe this kid was a pirate leader.

I missed last months GQ , I was reading fishing mags.

spence · 04-23-2009, 05:08 PM

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I believe this kid was a pirate leader.

No, I'm talking about the kingpins. The guys building the gigantic mansions on the Somali coast. I doubt they're doing the dirty work.

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I missed last months GQ , I was reading fishing mags.

PM me your addy and I'll send you clippings from all the Dolce and Gabanna ads

-spence

buckman · 04-23-2009, 05:15 PM

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PM me your addy and I'll send you clippings from all the Dolce and Gabanna ads

-spence

Sweet

scottw · 04-24-2009, 06:05 AM

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That was covered under the "he's a product of the most broken country on the planet" statement.-spence

I thought we were the most broken country on the planet...aren't the dems constantly telling us that every aspect of America is broken and "in crisis"

The fact of the matter is that this kid probably doesn't know any better. There was good article in GQ last month on the issue. The pirates are bringing a lot of money into the communities and providing food and support that the people can't get any other way(like Obama).

You should be his lawyer Spence Alynski..."he didn't know any better"..poor baby...I knew you were a GQ metrosexual...but judging by your photo...you really need a haircut...

They are seen as modern day Robin Hood's. so is Obama..does that make him a pirate too? will he be bare chested with a parrot on his shoulder on the next cover of TIME?...

That doesn't mean his actions are justified at all. It does mean that making an example of him will do nothing to help the situation. Only addressing the root causes(CALL THE UN), a terribly weak Somali government and the pirate leadership who's directing the pawns will ever improve the situation.

yeah...punishment doesn't ever work... what we need to do is put the entire country of Somalia on welfare courtesy of America, I mean...we're loaded...or...we could just print more money...and that will solve everything....or ban the use of the word pirate all together...that's another approach.....

LET OUR PIRATE GO !!!!!....HE'S A HARMLESS TWIT...YOU MUST ACQUIT!