Just a few questions

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

action is what you condemned Bush for and O gets a free pass. So Obama sends 17000 troops, no approval from Congress, no debate and most importantly no goal. He is sending them into a war 5X as win-less as Iraq and does not even address the country. I give up, you guys are seriously helpless and blind.

Obama made this a campaign promise and was elected on it. Besides, these are troops that the Pentagon has requested.

If anything you could argue that there's not a clear endgame on the table that this action is in support of, but no, you have to make this about Bush.

Afghanistan isn't 5X win-less either, but the definition of success is much different from Iraq. We need to kill Bin Laden and let every tribal leader in Afghanistan know that if they support terrorism we'll fire bomb their villages.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Obama made this a campaign promise and was elected on it. Besides, these are troops that the Pentagon has requested.

If anything you could argue that there's not a clear endgame on the table that this action is in support of, but no, you have to make this about Bush.

Afghanistan isn't 5X win-less either, but the definition of success is much different from Iraq. We need to kill Bin Laden and let every tribal leader in Afghanistan know that if they support terrorism we'll fire bomb their villages.

-spence

If you'd care to read above, I asked a number of times what the goal is aka, the end game.
Fire bomb their villages? That will be the day.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

If you'd care to read above, I asked a number of times what the goal is aka, the end game.
Fire bomb their villages? That will be the day.

Fire bombing villages made of stone really doesn't help.
These people in Afghanistan have been oppressed for years, the Taliban is a bunch of terrorist extremists. Just much stronger then the rival warlords in that the control most of the opium production and export now.

Our puppet government in Afghanistan is corrupt and without power, unfortunately.

We do need an agenda and a clear end-game. I have friends who have been in there twice and the last tour found it much worse in regards to Taliban operations than it was the first time. The first time he was in an advisory mode with feuding warlords, the second he was operational deployed with US forces, much like what is going to happen now

At the moment it appears to be diplomacy by force, however every time we knock someone down, yet another faction or splintered factions surface in their place.

[spence]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Fire bombing villages made of stone really doesn't help.

Not everything is made of stone.

But the point is, the warlords who really control Afghanistan are just looking out for their own interests and will never respect a central authority. Even the Taliban had only limited control over the country.

Afghanistan will never be a democracy or anything that resembles one. They like to fight as well, on a documentary once a proud Afghan remarked that to them war was like a habbit.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

They like to fight as well, on a documentary once a proud Afghan remarked that to them war was like a habbit.

-spence

awesome! 17,000 more Americans for them to shoot at!

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

Not everything is made of stone.

But the point is, the warlords who really control Afghanistan are just looking out for their own interests and will never respect a central authority. Even the Taliban had only limited control over the country.

Afghanistan will never be a democracy or anything that resembles one. They like to fight as well, on a documentary once a proud Afghan remarked that to them war was like a habbit.

-spence

So then why are we even there?
Protecting a populace for an election that won't even matter?
The Taliban will be at every voting place, if you vote your'e dead, someplace sometime, probably after they kill your family or make you watch them do it.