Phelps

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by joe the plumber

I've got to chime in on this one.Pot can be a gateway drug to the right individual.Alcohol can be a gateway drug to the right individual.
Here is my take on it.In my 48 years,I've seen some people who drink,kick the tar out of thier wives,and lose thier homes,and if that is not tragic enough,lose thier lives.I've never seen such behavior with people who I know smoke pot.My 2 cents.

That may be Joe, but the tragic part of pot and drugs imo is the scum bag sellers it supports. Not good people, many people killed and lives ruined because of them.

In my years, many working with teenagers, I've seen many families and lives destroyed from pot. Families in crisis for years. Impaired thinking keeps them from facing ordinary problems keeping them stuck in immaturity.

One of the first signs is sliding marks in school and that means not living up to potential. I've seen a suicide and psychotic episodes from kids smoking pot from bongs laced with other drugs
Your rolling the dice whenever you take a mind altering drug.

[joe the plumber]

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In my years, many working with teenagers, I've seen many families and lives destroyed from pot. Families in crisis for years. Impaired thinking keeps them from facing ordinary problems keeping them stuck in immaturity.

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I am SUPPOSED to be working.I take a break,check into S/B,and well,here I am.I do love this site....When I love this site........
I want to respond to justplugit.You have spoken like a man who has seen this and I believe what you have seen and respect your opinion. Thanks for pointing this out.I still think pot is alot less harmfull than booze.Just my own personal observations.
To Karl F,you took the words out of my mouth about Phelps.I too hope he grows and learns from his experience.

[Slingah]

that poor kid...bad judgement is all...I agree most with everything said here, it is all bad if abused..
from my own personal using it started with butts then booze then weed....then everything else, Ive tried and abused most everything except smack
What I will say is... for ME...weed has to be at the bottom of the list as far as being harmful...not to say it isnt though....and booze being by far the worst..it has ruined and killed alot of lives and people close to me..
maybe the kid has a problem...maybe not...he's still a damn good athlete....the best ever...

[Raven]

if his face is on the cereal box i'm not eating it

[BigFish]

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.

[FishnGrega]

now I for one used to smoke back when I was 18, now that I'm almost 26 I haven't had the urge to pick it up again. I wasn't a pot head I only did it once in a while mainly just on weekends. I used to be all about legalizing pot, until i started thinking about the consequenses. Here's one for you guys who think it should be legal... how can you test for it if you get pulled over and your stoned out of your mind??? Alcohol has its tests pot only has a piss/hair test but that doesnt tell you how much you've had smoked...
so that you legalize it right. you get in your car blazed out of your mind smoking it up with your buddies as you go for a bone cruise, blasting tunes, and passing that fattie around. You go reach for the blunt from your buddy in back, then you hit and kill a person/ or a even worse a kid. the cops show up to the scene and notice that you are under the influence of a controlled substance. But can not charge you because there is no test for marajuana. Sure you'll be arrested for involentary manslaughter, and under the influence of a controlled substance. you go to court get a slap on the wrist maybe serve a year or less in prison because you get out on "good behavior".

But the drunk who gets behind the wheel and does the same thing. Is charged with manslaughter loses his license, goes to counceling, and serve a sentence behind bars.

Sounds like a good idea of legalizing it doesn't it?

I also drink and I wouldn't call Alcohol a gateway anything. Its all about peer pressure, and confidence in saying no thanks.

[Raider Ronnie]

Like I said
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter !!!
Can't turn on the tv without a "Male enhancement" commercial or a girl with her tits 1/2 hanging out !, or profanity on just about everything !
Sucks trying to raise kids and not deal with these issues everyday !
And for those here who think kids aren't influenced by these guys like Phelps, you have no idea what you are talking about and most likely don't have young kids !
As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

[cheferson]

Originally Posted by BigFish

.its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! .

Ummmmmmmmmm, alcohol is one of the worst drugs

Heres the definition of a drug

A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.

and lets see , how many deaths occured from bong hits?.... Big fat 0.
In 2006 there were 17,941 alcohol related traffic deaths !!!

heres another excerpt for scientific american

By the Numbers: Deaths Caused by Alcohol; December 1996; Scientific American Magazine; by Doyle; 2 Page(s)

Excessive alcohol consumption leads to more than 100,000 deaths annually in the U.S. Accidents, mostly from drunken driving, made up a quarter of this number in 1992; alcohol- related homicide and suicide accounted for 11 and 8 percent, respectively. Cancers that are partly attributable to alcohol, such as those of the esophagus and larynx, contributed an additional 17 percent. About 9 percent resulted from alcohol-related stroke. Another major contributor is a group of 12 ailments wholly caused by alcohol (see map below), of which alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver and alcohol dependence syndrome are the most important. These 12 ailments represented 18 percent of all alcohol-related deaths in 1992.

The most reliable data are for the 12 alcohol-induced conditions. Mortality from these conditions rises steeply into late middle age and then declines markedly, with those age 85 or older being at less than one sixth the risk of 55- to 64-year-olds. Men are at three times the risk of women; blacks are at two and half times the risk of whites.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.

Who else here thinks if perhaps Larry tried one of them thar spleefs maybe he would not be such a deek..
Nothing personal BF but I think sometimes you could use to relax a little..
If you think there is some major difference between pot and alchohol.You really need to open your eyes..
BTW don't go over the speed limit..Thats against the law also..

[BigFish]

There is a major difference...one is legal and one is not. I am very relaxed right now. You folks can skew the facts and twist the english language however you want to make you sleep better at night.....but drugs and alcohol are different animals. Maybe when I talk about drugs I am not so much talking about pot but mostly Coke, Heroin, Crack.....all the real nasty stuff. Yeah....alcohol is every bit as addictive as anything else can can do alot more damage.....thats a fact.

Do I think Phelps should be punished? No I do not. He is a young man, 22, with the same choices to make we all had and in life and folks have to find their own way. Bad choice? Yup! However just because of his fame people should not think that he should have to live his life any differently than anyone else does. Its his life and his alone. I say a picture these days is not great evidence and he could simply have denied it and moved on but he did not....he owned up to it and for that I say he is showing youth that mistakes are made and you and you alone have to be accountable for your actions.

[Raven]

what's Ironic about the 1937 tax law was:

that a tax was to be levied on the product
and to show that the tax had been paid
it was to receive a stamp showing that it was.

the Ironic thing was that the stamps were never made.

so you have a law that was passed and never used
to tax a product in the last 72 years...

funny reading that stuff about how the white chicks
were seduced by the Jaz & weed to go for the darkies

that guy had no interracial issues ....whatsoever

[Dad 818]

Originally Posted by Raven

if his face is on the cereal box i'm not eating it

Only cereal endorsement he has left is WEEDIES

[Gary]

Maby we should look up to The Reverend Fred Phelps as a role model.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Gary

Maby we should look up to The Reverend Fred Phelps as a role model.

NO,
Kids should look up to their parents !
Problems is, LOTS of parents are morons !