TOSSED - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

BigFish · 09-28-2008, 08:00 AM

I have said in the past that these competitions should exclude commercially licensed fishermen as they have a decided advantage over the recreational fishermen. It should be held to a strict recreational fishermen only tournament.....I believe it would weed out a good amount of the BS!

FishTwoO · 09-28-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

I have said in the past that these competitions should exclude commercially licensed fishermen as they have a decided advantage over the recreational fishermen. It should be held to a strict recreational fishermen only tournament.....I believe it would weed out a good amount of the BS!

I agree.But the guys poaching and selling to resteraunts don't have commercial licenses.However a recreational angler only tourney would eliminate most of the BS, not all.
I wonder if the IRS is going to be in on this case?

BigFish · 09-28-2008, 08:33 AM

Agreed Fishtwo0....definitely not all the BS for sure. Where there is a will to deceive there is a way!

Redsoxticket · 09-28-2008, 12:39 PM

Bradshaw's weighted fish of 51 lbs. is disqualified therefore leaving only 9 top fish for the team. There should be no 11th place fish to replace the one that is lost.

BigFish · 09-28-2008, 12:45 PM

I am sure OTW will move the next biggest fish into the top 10...they have the weigh slips!

Mike P · 09-28-2008, 12:55 PM

Don't forget that Luds withdrew a 40+ fish last year because he realized that he hadn't been entered for 24 hours before catching it.

Slip and I were the guys who called his attention to the rule.

I think this is my last year for this thing. Too much finger pointing and rumors. Tip your cap to OTW for a nice try, but nothing's changed in the last 40 years. Jealousy and greed just are too ingrained in the human spirit

It's like the MV Derby--an off-Islander wins back to back, and he has to be cheating

JohnR · 09-28-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I guess now is when I confess that the part about solidarity was fabrication on my part to add melodrama and increase hits on my favorite website. Catch em up.

So now this thread was a troll ??

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Bradshaw's weighted fish of 51 lbs. is disqualified therefore leaving only 9 top fish for the team. There should be no 11th place fish to replace the one that is lost.

Then you are penalizing the team, which to my knowledge has nothing concrete against it, for the actions of one guy. It is were more than one...

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Originally Posted by Mike P

Don't forget that Luds withdrew a 40+ fish last year because he realized that he hadn't been entered for 24 hours before catching it.

Slip and I were the guys who called his attention to the rule.

I think this is my last year for this thing. Too much finger pointing and rumors. Tip your cap to OTW for a nice try, but nothing's changed in the last 40 years. Jealousy and greed just are too ingrained in the human spirit

It's like the MV Derby--an off-Islander wins back to back, and he has to be cheating

And that error was resolved early and easily (and nothing against the law either)...

Does take out some of the fun of fishing the tourney

jim sylvester · 09-28-2008, 01:26 PM

interesting

Sea Dangles · 09-28-2008, 01:59 PM

No, it wasn't a troll. The part about the letter and subsequent DQ was information for the masses I thought would be appreciated. The solidarity part was meant as a joke. Like going potty in the cup I guess. As far as the tournament being close;I doubt it as a member of our team hung a corker from shore on the last day of the competition that wil place him in our top 5 for points.Finally, for the sake of clarity,let me reiterate that nobody on Team Striper condones poaching and I am certain there was none committed to give the team an advantage in this stupid tournament. That being said, "Where is my key."

JohnR · 09-28-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

No, it wasn't a troll. The part about the letter and subsequent DQ was information for the masses I thought would be appreciated. The solidarity part was meant as a joke. Like going potty in the cup I guess. As far as the tournament being close;I doubt it as a member of our team hung a corker from shore on the last day of the competition that wil place him in our top 5 for points.Finally, for the sake of clarity,let me reiterate that nobody on Team Striper condones poaching and I am certain there was none committed to give the team an advantage in this stupid tournament. That being said, "Where is my key."

Chris - Thanks for clearing that up. Wasn't sure where the story began and ended.

Even without a large shore fish at the end, S-B would not have near enough points.

Tagger · 09-28-2008, 02:19 PM

Troll ?

JohnR · 09-28-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tagger

Troll ?

You Rang

Jenn · 09-28-2008, 02:45 PM

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

BassDawg · 09-28-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenn

This is rediculous! Not too long ago there was a thread about cheating in tourneys. This is why I stated why I cant stand them. Jealousy, rumors, cheating, backstabbing and a whole lot of petty drama.

Assuming the rest of the team still pulls off the win it should be theirs to celebrate (minus the bad apple of course). Though its apparent they will be guilty by association and rumors.

i have to wholeheartedly, and with much RESPECT, disagree!!

there is NO TAINT to Team Striper's WIN!!

one guy cheated, HE was removed from their totals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
LEGITIMATE points were/will replace the illegitimate ones
and we and The Cup moves on. only those, mostly non-participants angling to justify their non-entry,
seem to be the most effected by the unfortunate choices by a slime-ball poacher. i could care LESS, and i salute Team Striper as a whole unit and will not misrepresent them ~or the Tounament~ by the misbehavior of ONE crumb-bum!

nor, should we assume that Team Striper would not have won!
this does not mean that THEY ALL cheated! those guys would've won this year without Bradshaw's
ill-gotten stripeys, and they feeshed their tails OFF, and they deserve to SIP, PISS, RAISE The Cup high,
hold it for the year, and do whatever the heck they want to do to IT ~~ until WE WREST it from their "pro" hands next season.

simply, CHEERS Team Striper!!! and CONGRATS
on a well fished and well deserved WIN!!!

besides we still had the Angler of the Year, and
I predict the Trifecta for next year:

The Cup, Angler of the Year, & Catch of the Year!!

bloocrab · 09-29-2008, 08:38 AM

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

To compare this to Professional football is

wrong. They (Football) will do whatever it takes to win, be it honestly or NOT. In comparing this to PRO football, ...it's like saying you would do whatever it takes to win, including dishonest measures as has been and continues to happen in football. If that is the case, than so be it, but don't try to sell it differently. It is ....what it is.

If I were putting a football team together, I would not add an intentionally DIRTY styled player to my team. Regardless of how talented he was, I want to walk off that field PROUD of my victory, not clouded with thoughts that perhaps we won dishonestly. This is not an individual tourney, it's a TEAM tourney. IMO - his dishonesty would out weigh any of his talent. My team may not win the Bowl, but where-ever we got,...we got there honestly. You reflect what you surround yourself with. If one really doesn't care what people think.........than one should not post about it at all.
Just my Opinion - If he was caught during the first few weeks of the tourney, sure...disqualify HIM.
Being caught doing what he did after the tourney even though it's not tourney related....???....The team should disqualify itself to save face, as well as try to ensure OTW that the team is LEGIT regardless of what happened with one of it's members after the fact.

Short, but true story - I had a REALLY big guy on my Deck Hockey team, I wasn't sure of his character but knew of his intimidation factor from previous seasons when he was on the opposing teams. He was a guy that a forward didn't want to go into the corner with. In Hockey, intimidation is BIG, so he was added to the roster as a defenseman. Turns out he was an incredible HACK. He would intentionally hack the opposing players, I'm not talking about tapping shin guards here, I'm talking about taking guys out. He'd get penalized, but his intimidation also affected the referees, so he was putting a hurtin' on quite a few people....now hockey is hockey, it's NOT for sissy's...but he was abusing what I consider should be tolerated. He would also cross-check when he felt he could get away with it. So one day during one of our practices, I lost it. I ran up to him, and started whacking him with my stick....he looked at me like.....WTF are you doing as he fell to the ground ??? I told him, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT??? In the box we had the conversation, I will not tolerate DIRTY measures nor dishonesty on my team. If that's the way you want to play, go somewhere else. This isn't about winning the Stanley Cup and possibly millions $$$, it's about a bunch of guys who enjoy the sport, and even more when the competitive aspect is added to it.

Luckily, he thought I was n#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g futz, and didn't turn me into a pretzel....

Circlehook · 09-29-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bloocrab

I've put teams together before, not for fishing tourneys but for other sport activities. In putting those teams together, each individual is chosen based on his honesty first, talent 2nd. To me, to win dishonestly, is NOT winning...period. I believe a team-mate is a reflection of the team and the team a reflection of it's members. I believe Team Striper SHOULD remove itself completely based on their poor decision in picking their players or allowing people to join.

I agree 100% with this. Thing is, I wouldn't want to be the team that wins when the other team is DQ'ed. I believe in honest play, and I want to win honestly, I don't want to win because the team that beat me cheated to win. I worked my ass of this year to weigh somthing in, it didn't happen. But I didn't borrow a fish from my brother, or weigh in a charter caught fish -- both things I could have done.

Cheaters will always cheat, and there will never be a 100% honest tournament, there never has and there never will. It is sad, but these things will happen, you only hope it isn't somone on your side bringing you down.

Crafty Angler · 09-29-2008, 11:11 PM

For the love of Christ, would somebody euthanize this %$%$%$%$ing thread

JohnR · 09-30-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Crafty Angler

For the love of Christ, would somebody euthanize this %$%$%$%$ing thread

Hehehehe - good idea. Closed and going away....

Rappin Mikey · 09-28-2008, 05:28 PM

If U reely fast they always call U da cheetah!!

BassDawg · 09-28-2008, 06:21 PM

funny stuff, Mikey!

Raider Ronnie · 09-28-2008, 08:05 PM

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

RIROCKHOUND · 09-29-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

BassDawg · 09-29-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Exactly.
Fishing is fishing. It is supposed to be fun.

There is a reason I don't enter....

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,

competitive fishing is the very definition of:

FUNNNN!!!

BigFish · 09-29-2008, 12:53 PM

Fun is fishing with my buddies and all of us catching fish! We don't care who gets the biggest fish or who gets the most fish.....its just fun to watch each other catching fish! I am not competitive when it comes to fishing and I only registered for a shot at winning the boat! So....all the rest of it really does not matter to me.....its the good will of fishing together and the good time at the Harpoon Brewery and a shot at possibly winning a boat that matters to me!

RIROCKHOUND · 09-29-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BassDawg

for MANY surfcasters,,,,,,,,,,,
competitive fishing is the very definition of:

Well,
thats why I dont fish with guys like that BD.
My 'circle of trust' is small, and consists of guys more interested in the pursuit than the cup or any other tourney.

BassDawg · 09-29-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

All this bull%$%$%$%$ for a stupid CUP !!!

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup

and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*

RIJIMMY · 09-29-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BassDawg

NO, NO Ronnie!!
Not stupid Cup ~~~~~it's

The Striper Cup

and many others and i had a BALL defending her, for
*SHE is the pinnacle of our recreation and the aspiration
for team angler's along the entire Striper Coast!!!*

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

JohnR · 09-29-2008, 12:23 PM

I would agree that while the Cup is great to fish for and can add an interesting element, if the Cup were to disappear tomorrow I could adjust just fine.

I usually enjoy fishing Tourneys but that is not why I fish.

BassDawg · 09-29-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I feel bad for anyone that the Stiper Cup is the pinnacle of the sport. I joined and was happy to fish for S-B. The mere opportunity to fish is worth more than a thousand victories of the cup. Maybe Im not a competitive person, who knows.

i use the asterisk to dentote sarcasm, tongue-in-cheekedness, bro!

my opinion is more inline with the Bossman's.

i don't fish because of the Tournaments, but the oppoprtunity
for schwaaaag is NICE, and the team aspect is envigorating!

with or without tournament fishing, i am still gonna pound the surf~~

working it to improve my personal bests, meet and feesh with fellow stripermen, and achieve the solitude and sanity that comes from being connected to our beautiful prey while communing with the majestic shores of NE ~~through sights and smells and sounds and lifetime moments that the surf of the Mighty Atlantic is wont to allow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

*THAT, and i AM one sickly competitive BASTAGE ~~by nature!!!*