Biden as VP

[Flaptail]

What experience does Romney bring to the Republican ticket? Other than using the Big Dig fiasco when the roof collapsed on that poor woman, has he any international/national security background? No. The only reason Lieberman is a consideration is that he favors strongly the war in Iraq and Afghanistan because of personal issues, he is jewish and Israel and it's security is more important a factor in his way of thinking than most will admit. Other than that what has he got to offer?

I think Biden was the only choice the DNC would agree too support for some of the reasons noted before in this thread, yeah he speaks his mind and sometimes puts his foot in it, tell me someone who hasn't done that before. I think his being the National Security chairman in the senate gives credibility to Obama's ticket and Obama will listen to advice Biden gives on issues of that nature, this naturally strengthens the party's chances. Don't forget Biden's Pennsylvania roots and Delaware residency, states Obama needs to win to win it all.

And lastly, sadly, the DNC knows that there is a very real possibility that some racist kook might just take a shot at Obama and may very well succeed. Obama is going to need an Obama Mobile like the Pope has, sad but true as it is. If that happens, and hopefully never will, the chaos created when an American President is cut down is looked on as a huge advantage for those willing to sieze the moment and further promote chaos, like say.....AlQaida, the Taliban, The Russians, the Chinese, Hugo Chaves in Venezuela and a bunch of other bananas in that bunch. If Biden were called upon to take the oath of office in a sad hour as that at least he would be ahead on the international learning curve.

Could you see Romney in a position such as that? Now that is a scary thought.

[RIJIMMY]

Flap, I couldnt disagree more. I beleieve that successful business people know way more about politics and diplomacy. Very few politicians have one on one negotiations and are held directly accountable for producing results.

I can take your argument and RIRock against you - What experience has Obama had in international? And,,if Biden is so experienced, why arent you holding him accountable for the current state? ( I know, I know, its all Bush's fault)

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Flap, I couldnt disagree more. I beleieve that successful business people know way more about politics and diplomacy. Very few politicians have one on one negotiations and are held directly accountable for producing results.

I can take your argument and RIRock against you - What experience has Obama had in international? And,,if Biden is so experienced, why arent you holding him accountable for the current state? ( I know, I know, its all Bush's fault)

Jimmy, the difference is that in business a leader makes tough decisions where people may loose thier jobs to keep the bottom line from going to far south (where thier jobs will probably go to keep the company afloat as in south of the border) but no one dies as a result and that is a decision, no matter how much business acumen you may have acquired since you left Harvard, ran the Olympics or whatever, that requires a different kind of knowledge which is a true understanding of the threats to our national security.

I might trust Romney to make a business decision but not a national policy one and McCain was born into a warrior cult, his old man an Admiral and the Naval Academy etc, but that kind of mentality will only lead to further trouble for our already overstretched military and budget defict. Our international standing is in the dumpster and like it or not we have to face that fact. It is time, indeed it's overdue yime to become a partner, a respected partner in the world community, for our national security and our nations economy.

International diplomacy is the only way to regain our proper place as the free worlds leader.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

It is time, indeed it's overdue yime to become a partner, a respected partner in the world community, for our national security and our nations economy.

International diplomacy is the only way to regain our proper place as the free worlds leader.

I appreciate and respect your thoughts on this, but I am of the mindset that this country has and will always be, disliked by other countries. We have been the envy of the world for generations and countries only "like" us when they need us.
Someone, maybe Churchill said it best and Im messing the quote up but -, Countries dont have friends, they have interests and they need to protect and further their interests.

I think the same applies in the business world and you cannot be succuesful, which Romney is, without diplomacy and relationship building.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I appreciate and respect your thoughts on this, but I am of the mindset that this country has and will always be, disliked by other countries. We have been the envy of the world for generations and countries only "like" us when they need us.
Someone, maybe Churchill said it best and Im messing the quote up but -, Countries dont have friends, they have interests and they need to protect and further their interests.

I think the same applies in the business world and you cannot be succuesful, which Romney is, without diplomacy and relationship building.

Churchill was wise beyond his years and why he was put out of office as soon as the war was over I will never understand. I have several books in my modest library of his words, letters and writings, one of the most poignant was when he was told at just after 8 in the evening of December 7th, 1941 that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor, he went to bed and slept peacefully the whole night through, which he had not done since September 1939, knowing that the United States was now going to be declaring war on Japan and thus through the axis, Germany and by doing so England would now never be invaded and ultimately, with the United States help, the Alllied Powers would win the war.

[Joe]

Problem is, most Americans view themselves as being potential victims of people like Mr. Romney rather than find him admirable. They are afraid some guy with nice hair will head up a consortium, buy the place they work, and sh-t can them.
It's a matter of food-chain perspective: If you get the Wall St Journal, you're a professional, and you're making big bucks, he's admirable. If you lost your manufacturing job in Ohio or Pennsylvania and you've been out of work ever since - you see him as a snake.
More people admire someone who would pass up a fast-track career in business and work in outreach programs.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Churchill was wise beyond his years and why he was put out of office as soon as the war was over I will never understand. I have several books in my modest library of his words, letters and writings, one of the most poignant was when he was told at just after 8 in the evening of December 7th, 1941 that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor, he went to bed and slept peacefully the whole night through, which he had not done since September 1939, knowing that the United States was now going to be declaring war on Japan and thus through the axis, Germany and by doing so England would now never be invaded and ultimately, with the United States help, the Alllied Powers would win the war.

The BS of history FLap! Germany had NO sizable Navy, no ports to launch a large scale invasion on England, no way to transport troops to England and NO plans to build any. England was never in danger of German invasion. the air battle of Britian was purely to break the spirits of the British people and get them out of the war. Germany did not want a war with Biritan or the US.There would never have been a world war if England had not guaranteed Poland, whihc empowered the Poles to not negotoate with Hitler over Danzig and the Polish Corridor. We are only taught in school one side of the story

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Karl F

i've said it before,

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...26&postcount=3

i'll say it again...

Mitt is an empty suit... if McCain picks romney... beware.. (and I doubt he will.. you can see the vibe is not good when they are near each other)...
The man should not be allowed anywhere near public office, or allowed to hold the public trust.... while we have not had any stellar leaders of late... Mitt is definately the dimmest bulb in the chandelier....

Im in an odd place defending Romney, but how can you call him an empty suit? The results of his work are obvious, I mean he didnt inherit the 300 mil worth. He knows what he is doing, no?

[Backbeach Jake]

After the Past 8 years I'd vote for the Three Stooges. We need a change in the way this Country handles it's self and we need it now. We aren't the superpower we think we are and the whole worle knows it. If we keep up with the bluster and BS we're gonna get a smackdown royal. Russia just laughed in our faces this month. They know. New orleans sank like Atlantis, I think that was noticed aroud the globe. We have some serious work to do to regain our stature and trust on this planet. And that means a better way of doing business. I hear only one POSITIVE voice out there, saying YES we CAN.. My 2 cents..

[spence]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

After the Past 8 years I'd vote for the Three Stooges. We need a change in the way this Country handles it's self and we need it now. We aren't the superpower we think we are and the whole worle knows it. If we keep up with the bluster and BS we're gonna get a smackdown royal. Russia just laughed in our faces this month. They know. New orleans sank like Atlantis, I think that was noticed aroud the globe. We have some serious work to do to regain our stature and trust on this planet. And that means a better way of doing business. I hear only one POSITIVE voice out there, saying YES we CAN.. My 2 cents..

Amen to all of that

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

After the Past 8 years I'd vote for the Three Stooges. We need a change in the way this Country handles it's self and we need it now. We aren't the superpower we think we are and the whole worle knows it. If we keep up with the bluster and BS we're gonna get a smackdown royal. Russia just laughed in our faces this month. They know. New orleans sank like Atlantis, I think that was noticed aroud the globe. We have some serious work to do to regain our stature and trust on this planet. And that means a better way of doing business. I hear only one POSITIVE voice out there, saying YES we CAN.. My 2 cents..

so tiring,,,,Katrina
Democratic Mayor, Democratic Governor........oh wait! Its a woman and a black man! Can't blame them.......Bush Sucks! Bush Sucks! Give it a rest and don't follow the media hype.