What Do You Consider To Be The Ideal Conditions for Each Plug Listed

[BillM]

Hey Guys tell me more about the needle. I retrieve it very slow but the back end sinks down. is it supposed to look like it's slowly feeding at the surface? is it supposed to create a wake or is it just for white water?

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by BillM

Hey Guys tell me more about the needle. I retrieve it very slow but the back end sinks down. is it supposed to look like it's slowly feeding at the surface? is it supposed to create a wake or is it just for white water?

You're fishing it right (at least for at night). A slow retrieve so it makes a wake or comes along just subsurface with a slow wobble is the norm. Use an occassional hesitation/small twitch. You can count it down and retrieve it deeper if nothing is taking up top, but usually you will have to speed up your retrieve some 1/2 way in to get it up above the bottom. The tail weight on a needle lets you cast it farther but more importantly it gives you depth control. Even though the tail sinks fast, it does so at an angle so as you start to retrieve the body acts like a planer to bring it back up. Different brand needles do this do different degrees so it is best to fool with them in daylight to learn what they'll do before using them at night.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by BillM

is it supposed to look like it's slowly feeding at the surface? is it supposed to create a wake or is it just for white water?

All of the above . hang in there Bill.. What Numby said .. I see needles in three catergories..
1. floaters/wakers . shallow boulder fields,, calm flat water nights..
2. slow sinkers,, i fish them in like 12-15 feet of water ..slow retieve ,, pause,, If you know your sink rate , you can put it in thier face. I tick the bottom with them sometimes . very retrieve sensitive.. most hits come stumbling around in the surf .
3. fast sinkers ..Heavy big surf..deep water..
All needles are not alike. Probably the most versatile lures ,,cast great ,, big fish love them ..

I recently watched Numby's boy do a job with that 1 3/4 ounce Gibbs from the floater/waker catergory... I make my own slow sinkers.. thing of beauty when they come out right ..

nothing from the rubber crowd ? anyone throw tin anymore .. I read somewhere before WWII tin ruled the surf ..

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Tagger

anyone throw tin anymore .. I read somewhere before WWII tin ruled the surf ..

They even had a special reel for that, The Penn Squidder

[Frankiesurf]

All right guys point taken. I will put on my neoprenes to thicken my skin if needed.

Great thread without my off topic interruption.

Anyway, back on topic. I love fishing tins as much as bucktails. If I know they are hanging low then I usually throw on a Blue Frog and have at it. If they are not hitting I will throw on a tin. This certainly works out best at dawn and dusk. There are new tins out that are black powder coated for use at night but I have yet to try them. Has anyone else?

I see guys put on a tin and crank it in at the speed of light (same with pencils). STOP THAT! Slow it down. It is slow and low just like a buck. Depending on what kind of tin you are using you don't even have to give it any action. The tins with the keels are my preference. Actually I prefer Charlie Graves "J" series .

Rarely do I use a diamond jig. Unless sand eels are around and the jig has a green tube trailer.

A last reminder. As Ralph Votta (maker of Charlie Graves Tins) told me "Fish 'em to yer feet"

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Frankiesurf

All right guys point taken. I will put on my neoprenes to thicken my skin if needed.

Great thread without my off topic interruption.

. There are new tins out that are black powder coated for use at night but I have yet to try them. Has anyone else?

Pt.Jude Lures a sponser here.makes the Black Knight series.
A collection of black "tins" awesome stuff I did surprisingly well with the 1.5 "Pogee" last yr..
Check em out here
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[woodghost]

I agree with tagger! This is a great topic..the name is the only reason i clicked it. I am new to the east coast style of fishing (left new england for the service over twenty years ago) I can cast wesst coast irons with conventionals with the best..Had to relearn spinning reels (i kow it sounds wierd) but now i've bought a VS and Lami wetsuit surf bag and i am learning to fish all the main plugs listed.
The needle (pencil popper?) is quickly becoming my favorite...I find it works best with a push/pull type of wiggle and a slow retrieve. Danny's are trying my patience...way to slow..i'm use to stinging an iron and frying it back as fast as possible (6:1 ration is hyper fast).
Joe from PT. Jude lures seems to make some of the sexiest swimming tins around...I've had moderate succes. The jetty caster bucktails with a 7' pork rind has been doing fairly well low and slow.
anyway this is a great topic for those of us willing to learn from the old salts...i hope to be salty one day! I like the sarcasm also...but if i wanted hear bitchin about fishing i would have stayed married!

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by woodghost

I agree with tagger! This is a great topic..the name is the only reason i clicked it. I am new to the east coast style of fishing (left new england for the service over twenty years ago)

And Thank You for that service

but if i wanted hear bitchin about fishing i would have stayed married!

[woodghost]

Hey thanks johnr! i really had a "blast" in the service so to speak..got to fish every ocean except antarctica..my best was a 7' blue shark in monterey from a battleship...exc. chef made some awesome steaks..that fish really proved the effects of "teamwork"! I've been out fished by more foriegn kids with tin cans and bummed hooks than i can count! I even noodled once in oklahoma! now the stripers have my full attention and cann't seem to break the 30# mark...so i have learned afew things from this post! Lets keep it up!