Fun times in Georgia

[Joe]

The Americans were training the Georgians for a tour in Iraq - it said in Friday's paper that there were 2000 Americans in Georgia, mostly military advisors.
There are reports that Medvedev and Putin are both giving orders to the Russian military - what a crazy country.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Joe

There are reports that Medvedev and Putin are both giving orders to the Russian military - what a crazy country.

That is the truth. As bad as we think out reporting is the Russians are WHACKED when it comes to reports. Russian news papers are less credible than upstart tin-foil-hat internet blogs.

Interesting developments on this.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Interesting developments on this.

For sure, there's more sheet than shinola goin on in this world right now.

[justplugit]

From what i've read and heard the last few days it looks like the Russians are upto their old tricks.

Can't be trusted, they don't seem to want any western democratic governments near their borders.

The UN is useless, same old same old, paper tiger on stances.

Sounds like a good idea to allow the Ukraine into Nato, get serious with the countries that are memebers, and arm the independent countries around Russia to the teeth.

Major mistake was not allowing Georgia into Nato.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by justplugit

From what i've read and heard the last few days it looks like the Russians are upto their old tricks.

Can't be trusted, they don't seem to want any western democratic governments near their borders.

The UN is useless, same old same old, paper tiger on stances.

Sounds like a good idea to allow the Ukraine into Nato, get serious with the countries that are memebers, and arm the independent countries around Russia to the teeth.

Major mistake was not allowing Georgia into Nato.

This is a regional conflict, the world, NATO and everyone else should stay out of it. Its none of our business. This type of thinking is what leads to World Wars. If it doenst concern us, stay out of it.
reference my thread in the scups - read the book Churchill Hitler and the Unneccesary War. Alliances drive stupid Wars.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

This is a regional conflict, the world, NATO and everyone else should stay out of it. Its none of our business. This type of thinking is what leads to World Wars. If it doenst concern us, stay out of it.
reference my thread in the scups - read the book Churchill Hitler and the Unneccesary War. Alliances drive stupid Wars.

I understand where you are coming from.

Ya, i would like to roll up the sidewalks too, but it's a different world now when things happen just about anywhere affects everyone.

It's a small world, even Obama says he's a World Citizen.

Having lived through the cold war, with atomic bomb drills in school ,and the Cuban Missel Crisis i gotta say the only thing that prevented another world war was our military strength.

Negotiate yes, but it only works when you are dealing from strength. Teddy Roosevelt nailed it, "speak softly but carry a BIG stick."

In the case of Georgia, they were there for us with 2000 troops in Iraq, imo you don't forget your friends.

I'm not for military action at this time, right now we couldn't mount it and Russia knows it, but allowing Georgia into NATO along with the Ukraine and making sure the countries that spun off by the old regime are strong, will go a long way in preventing future invasions.

[Joe]

There are three ways to shape global events or exercise power: militarily, economically and diplomatically.
The Cold War was waged and won using all three facets of power.
Militarily: through proxy wars in the third world
Diplomatically: through trade agreements and nuclear arms reduction
Economically: Through the acceleration of the arms race under Reagan.
It was third front, the economic one, which most did in the commies: bankrupted them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

This is a regional conflict, the world, NATO and everyone else should stay out of it. Its none of our business. This type of thinking is what leads to World Wars. If it doenst concern us, stay out of it.
reference my thread in the scups - read the book Churchill Hitler and the Unneccesary War. Alliances drive stupid Wars.

I guess that depends on how you interpret Russia's motive...

Seems to me they're punishing a pro-Westen country that has strategic energy interests in Europe, which influences the US.

Is this a regional issue? Sure, but you're talking about a pretty big region.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

This is a regional conflict, the world, NATO and everyone else should stay out of it. Its none of our business. This type of thinking is what leads to World Wars. If it doenst concern us, stay out of it.
reference my thread in the scups - read the book Churchill Hitler and the Unneccesary War. Alliances drive stupid Wars.

its a shame you didnt read that book before we went into Iraq.....

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by Joe

The Americans were training the Georgians for a tour in Iraq - it said in Friday's paper that there were 2000 Americans in Georgia, mostly military advisors.
There are reports that Medvedev and Putin are both giving orders to the Russian military - what a crazy country.

Personally I think the Russian troops were out of control. Professional well-trained soldiers would not loot stores and load the stuff on truck to go back to the mother land. Or maybe just Russian troops. I think thier is much to come here. Glad I read all the post. Learned quite a lot about the prequil.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Personally I think the Russian troops were out of control. Professional well-trained soldiers would not loot stores and load the stuff on truck to go back to the mother land. Or maybe just Russian troops. I think thier is much to come here. Glad I read all the post. Learned quite a lot about the prequil.

Thugs, a bunch of bleeping thugs. From the top ~ Putin ~ down. What a sad, sad crew of people. And to think so many people idolize(d) them. And just to further eff things up they'll set their thug juniors loose.

The schoolyard bully has kicked around a not too close but new friend that we told not to take the bait, but he is a friend nonetheless. If the bully keeps kicking this friend when he's down we need to decide if we'll break it up which will lead to the possibility we're in the fight too.

Spence, yep - rhetoric. Not too much we could do militarily there without the OK from Turkey anyway (not that moi is advocating a kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out). But something needs to be figured out or who is next in line? Russia wants something and they've been flexing their muscles a bit for a while. We're still the class if the schoolyard.

[spence]

Russia is flexing new muscle built on oil revenues and not much more. I'm of the opinion that they are testing the West and we should be standing up pretty tall in this matter. I can't believe it took the Admin this long to formulate a position.

Hell, we invaded Iraq on less evidence. I'm not saying we should use military force, but we basically let this happen the past week without as much as a peep. Not good form, and it's clear they've realized their mistake.

-spence

[Raven]

we have to proceed carefully because of the NASA dependance
that will all change in 2015...

[JohnR]

This article is considered pretty accurate (i.e. low bias) on how things kicked off over there: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1700211&s_pos=