Are the Patriots the best team ever - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Saltheart · 01-23-2008, 01:37 PM

They got to win one more game then the answere is a big YES.

Backbeach Jake · 01-23-2008, 06:12 PM

Yes. Bigger stronger faster smarter. More willing to sacrifice for the good of the team. Precious little showboating, staying focused. A team like this has never existed in the NFL before.

Raven · 01-23-2008, 06:24 PM

yeah Baby,,,,

Raider Ronnie · 01-23-2008, 06:28 PM

If they win the super bowl in 2 weeks, greatest season ever.
Greatest team ever, NO WAY !
The defense doesn't ever come close to comparing to the Steelers of the 70s or the 85 Bears.
Anyone who thinks that this offense would be the same if it played in the 1960s & 70s with the rules from then is smoking something

Mike P · 01-23-2008, 08:41 PM

They will be a yardstick, like all the great teams, in the future. "How would this team do against the 07 Patriots?"

Different rules, different coaching philosophies, in different eras make comparisons difficult. Everyone talks about the 85 Bears. They were a great defense, but would anyone in their right minds pick Jim McMahon over Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms? Who were the Bears' wideouts? Who was their tight end? Who played beside Payton in the backfield. Other than Sweetness, it was a forgetable offense. McMahon wa sknow more for his antics than his passing.

IMO the 86 Giants and the 49er teams of Montana were more balanced. Defenses almost the equal of the Bears, and much more better offenses. They also won SBs by lopsided margains. Some years they even finished 14-2, which isn't much worse than the 15-1 Bears.

BassDawg · 01-23-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

They were a great defense, but would anyone in their right minds pick Jim McMahon over Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms?

Great question, Mike; however did Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms come off of the bench, as a back-up, down by 3TD's, on MNF ~no less, and go 4 for 4 with the first three passes being TD's? The first of which was an on the money bomb to Willie Gault.

A cool cat that didn't finish his career strongly, but I will never fogedda bout that off the bench performance, against the Vikings????

No question Brady for my QB

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fishsmith · 01-24-2008, 11:49 AM

YES!!!

Mike P · 01-24-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BassDawg

Great question, Mike; however did Montana, Young, Manning, Brady---or even Simms come off of the bench, as a back-up, down by 3TD's, on MNF ~no less, and go 4 for 4 with the first three passes being TD's? The first of which was an on the money bomb to Willie Gault.

A cool cat that didn't finish his career strongly, but I will never fogedda bout that off the bench performance, against the Vikings????

No question Brady for my QB

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Frank Reich did something like that for the Bills in a Playoff game when Kelly got hurt. The Oilers were up almost 30 points at halftime. Does that make him an all time great?

McMahon was a one and done phenom. And he had a defense that consistently put him in great field position in that one great season he had.

BassDawg · 01-27-2008, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

Frank Reich did something like that for the Bills in a Playoff game when Kelly got hurt. The Oilers were up almost 30 points at halftime. Does that make him an all time great?

McMahon was a one and done phenom. And he had a defense that consistently put him in great field position in that one great season he had.

I totally agree that McMahon was a one and done phenom,
but what he did was unequaled. And has yet to be achieved by any of the greats??? He came off of the bench, MNF, and threw 3 straight TD Passes!!

Brady to me is still the GOAT, when/if he pulls of this Path to Perfection thang. Also, who here thinks that he's done? Prolly good for at least two more?

Just think how bad the rest of the country is gonna hate us by then, huh?

good2hook · 01-23-2008, 09:03 PM

ask me on the 4th.

wrikerjr · 01-24-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Strike_King

As far as defenses go,the league is different now. The NFL is a pass happy league now..You've got a better chance of seeing Britney Spears drop 20 pounds and resurrect her career than you do of seeing an under 200 point defense these days..How does anybody think the defenses of old (60's-80's) would fare today the way the league protects the QB? It's getting to the point today where a defender puts a fingernail on the QB and it's a personal foul...

never say never 2000 Ravens 165 pts, little different time but getting any points would be difficult against that d