Someone lying thru their teeth....?

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

His last 4 years with the Sox his record was

1993 11-14
1994 9-7
1995 10-5
1996 10-13

Not what I would Call Cy Young numbers

in 94' clemens pitched 170 innings and had a 2.85 era and a whip of 1.143. Its just he was on the red sox who sucked record of 54 and 61

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wrikerjr

in 94' clemens pitched 170 innings and had a 2.85 era and a whip of 1.143. Its just he was on the red sox who sucked record of 54 and 61

In 1994 it was strike shortened so he didn't have a full season, he may have tired out down the stretch, you never know

In 1995 he only had 140 innings...starting to show some signs of wear....granted in 1996 he pitched 240 innings....but his ERA also climbed considerably...still decent but was up almost a run per 9


you asked me to show you why I thought he was Average...this is why.

Today...if we brought in a Top Line Starting pitcher and he gave you a 40-39 record and he averaged 186 inning pitched per year for 4 years....wouldn't you consider that a dissapointment...thats pretty average stuff

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

In 1994 it was strike shortened so he didn't have a full season, he may have tired out down the stretch, you never know

In 1995 he only had 140 innings...starting to show some signs of wear....granted in 1996 he pitched 240 innings....but his ERA also climbed considerably...still decent but was up almost a run per 9


you asked me to show you why I thought he was Average...this is why.

Today...if we brought in a Top Line Starting pitcher and he gave you a 40-39 record and he averaged 186 inning pitched per year for 4 years....wouldn't you consider that a dissapointment...thats pretty average stuff

40-39 depends on the team. Johan santana's number were up this year doesn't mean anything. Just saying need to look at everything relative.

Their was a strike season then he got hurt and then he had a below average year.