Jim Rice

[BigFish]

Peter....are you saying race was a factor??? If so I have to laugh and say.....no it was not!

[ThomCat]

Check out Jim Rice's stats against Mickey Mantles, aside from the big difference in HR's, in just about every offensive catogory his numbers are at or better than the Micks. Mantle's numbers were the product of several more seasons. Rice's exemption from the Hall thus far is sad testiment to cedibility of the voters.

[BigFish]

Rice wasn't just one of the best power hitters of his time.....he was one of the best hitters period! The guy was driving in 120 on 38-40 homers a year, batting .300-.310 and putting 200 hits a season up!!! Only thing that kept his average down was the whiffs?! An injustice is putting it mildly Thom......this guy should have gone in 10 years ago!

[afterhours]

i think that this is rices' year.

[striperking70]

Originally Posted by ThomCat

Check out Jim Rice's stats against Mickey Mantles, aside from the big difference in HR's, in just about every offensive catogory his numbers are at or better than the Micks. Mantle's numbers were the product of several more seasons. Rice's exemption from the Hall thus far is sad testiment to cedibility of the voters.

I don't know about that. Rice had more career AB's and wasn't half the ballplayer Mickey was. Rice hit into over 200 more Double Plays then Mickey and scored 200 runs less. Mickey did it all. Rice was good but no HOFer.

[striperking70]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

And Tony Perez's numbers were worse than Rice yet he's in the hall. What's your point? Perez got in because he hung around way too long. Including getting paraded around like a mascot from the Big Red Machine his last few years with the Reds. And Rice put up his numbers with 1500 less AB's than Perez. And his last 7 years were abysmal.Again..What's your point?

Tell me where I said Tony Perez belongs in the HOF. One thing Perez was that Rice wasn't was a winner.

[striperking70]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

It's a comparison..Just like you comparing Mantle's numbers to Rice's ..

Mantle and Rice is no comparison. I was just responding to a post that said Rice had the same or better numbers than Mantle.

[BigFish]

Kirby Puckett is in the hall?

Winning a Championship does not get you in the Hall SK70! If that were the criteria then we would have to throw out guys like Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, etc.

That last line was in regards to your comment about Perez being a winner and that Rice was not! Guess that makes Ted Williams, Ernie Banks and others losers too?

[striperking70]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Kirby Puckett is in the hall?

Winning a Championship does not get you in the Hall SK70! If that were the criteria then we would have to throw out guys like Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, etc.

That last line was in regards to your comment about Perez being a winner and that Rice was not! Guess that makes Ted Williams, Ernie Banks and others losers too?

Kirby Puckett doesn't deserve to be in the hall. Williams and Banks were 10 times better than Rice or Perez. Maybe Perez is in because he was a winner and Rice never won.

[vineyardblues]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Peter....are you saying race was a factor??? If so I have to laugh and say.....no it was not!

Not to start a pissing match, But when I was in high school in the 70's they had forced busing in the 70's in Boston, Jim was a great player but Boston was a "white city" ,,,hate to say that
As I remember he had a huge pissing match when he left baseball and he never showed up or maybe it was never offered ? his fair well game. After that for years he was MIA
Jim lives in my home town and I have all the respect for him and his career .

He should be in the HOF
VB