Someone lying thru their teeth....?

[Saltheart]

I believed him. I think he had nothing to gain by going on the 60 minutes show or filing the suit if he was guilty. He would have just kept himself quiet and faded away. Now he will have to follow up on his not guilty claims and so why do it unless he was innocent.

Anyway , It may eventually come out that the trainer was spiking or substituting the B12 shots with steroids without Clemens knowing?

[BigFish]

MikeP......if Roger is suing Macnamee for defamation.....doesn't that mean that Macnamee must prove beyond a doubt that Roger actually did use HGH??? After all....he is the one making the claim??? If he cannot prove it then he will be found liable for defaming Roger Clemens character.....right?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by BigFish

MikeP......if Roger is suing Macnamee for defamation.....doesn't that mean that Macnamee must prove beyond a doubt that Roger actually did use HGH??? After all....he is the one making the claim??? If he cannot prove it then he will be found liable for defaming Roger Clemens character.....right?

I think its the other way around....Roger has the burden of proof and must prove that the statements made were false. he's the one who is suing so he has to have evidence that shows that MacNamee was lying.

[BigFish]

Well....as usual given the judiciary system, that makes no sense to me what so ever! If Mcnamee is making the statement then he should need to carry the burden of the proof of his statement!!!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Well....as usual given the judiciary system, that makes no sense to me what so ever! If Mcnamee is making the statement then he should need to carry the burden of the proof of his statement!!!

Think about it....if someone sues you, don't you want them to have to prove your the Guilty One....Clemens is Suing MacNamee so he has to be the one that has to have the proof MacNamee is guilty....actually makes perfect sense

[fishsmith]

I think Rocket is a LIAR, why would he get Lidocaine (pain relief) shots in buttocks?


6. Can you get pain relief in your joints by injecting lidocaine into your, well, buttocks?

Dr. Dombrowski: No. Never. Unless Clemens was limited by hip pain or whatever in his buttocks, then no, that's not what you do. You use big deep muscles for injecting steroids. But you would never treat shoulder or elbow pain in that way. If what he was injected with was truly lidocaine, his butt cheek would be numb. And that's it.

Dr. Dretchen: Just a blind injection into the gluteus area, that would be a strange usage of the drug. When you go to the dentist, would you get an injection into your arm? Of course not.

the above comes from --> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=hruby/080107

[BigFish]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Think about it....if someone sues you, don't you want them to have to prove your the Guilty One....Clemens is Suing MacNamee so he has to be the one that has to have the proof MacNamee is guilty....actually makes perfect sense

That does not make sense Kevin.......Mcnamee has gone on record as saying Clemens did use HGH, and that he himself (Mcnamee) injected it....so isn't it up to him to prove what he himself has gone on record with the Mitchell report as saying? I think so!

I agree with Saltheart!

[zacs]

Originally Posted by BigFish

That does not make sense Kevin.......Mcnamee has gone on record as saying Clemens did use HGH, and that he himself (Mcnamee) injected it....so isn't it up to him to prove what he himself has gone on record with the Mitchell report as saying? I think so!

I agree with Saltheart!

its pretty clear. the person doing the suing has to do the proving. it couldn't work any other way.