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GonnaCatchABig1 · 11-10-2007, 12:37 AM

hunting is different than fishing. anything you kill requires some shooting skill. but i feel (in the situation you described) she could feel just as proud by going to a shooting a range and hitting a bulls eye with out killing something.

if you hunt or fish purely for pride. to put it in the immortal words of some one whos name escapes me at the moment (it was in a movie) "your doin it wrong"

to kill purely for pride is selfish. hunting i feel is worse. hunters dont jump on me. but in hunting you are guaranteed to kill. fishing there is a chance of letting live. so fishing for pride in some instances isnt so bad. but hunting OR fishing just to kill to feel good isnt something i admire.

hunting is a fantastic sport (though killing isnt my thing). if you do it properly. aka going through the motions. you pick a spot using your brain power and what ever knowledge you know (much like fishing). you try to figure out what the game will be doing or feeding. (again like fishing.) then you use your skills to track and stalk. <-- thats what you should be most proud of. then you take aim and use your shooting skills to take down the animal you spent so much time studying and tracking.
THAT is something to be very proud of.
otherwise it's like going to a farm and shooting cows. and if you really feel proud about that. you need to learn a few things. or you are sick in the head and enjoy killing just for killing.

i guess you could relate it to the plugging purists.
i'm not that dedicated at the moment. though i am much prouder to catch a fish on a plug then a chunk. it's a direct result of your own skills.
that said. that deep sea trip i took. i honestly could care less if i caught a fish. i did nothing. i dropped a clam/jig straight down in a spot that i didnt choose. i dont like trolling either. granted trolling in the right spots is key. but in theory you could just drive around till a fish shows up. i much rather fish from shore, or a boat where my friends and i decided this is where they are. much like tracking/stalking. and cast into certain areas i think the fish are exactly. it give me some sense of accomplishment.
at the very least i picked the lucky spot to cast in (while chunking). and while plugging i worked the plgu right after deciding the proper location for the fish. then there is the fight (in hunting that would be the shot)

anything less and i feel unaccomplished. i cant say how i feel about working a boat to land a fish. since it's usually only done on very large fish. (marlins, tuna etc) but i would assume if it was me and all friends it would fill me with pride we all landed a beast. if i paid pros to do it. that same feeling isnt really there to the fullness it could be. they do it every day. if that makes sense. edit: just to add on a little bit. if my friends and i did that today. and landed a decent tuna or whatever. i would be very proud. as it was the first time we did it. we tackled a new problem. after a while it would loose it magic. much like when you hook into a blue or schoolie for the first time. it's amazing. but then after a while on after the other it gets kind of old. (unless youve been skunked for 3 months lol). and nothing but a keeper would satisfy. then after that nothing but a larger fish. <-- which is the drive that keeps us all going.

so in the end. i guess for me. the pride comes from tackling NEW situations and problems. and with fishing and hunting, if done to the fullest. there are plenty of unique and new situations to conquer. almost every day. i cant see being proud of leaving all those problems to some one else then getting the finished product.

numbskull · 11-10-2007, 02:02 AM

When your wife has a baby are you proud? Yet you did about as much as the guy on the charter boat, it seems. Life is too short to quibble about what makes other people happy. They have their value system, you have yours. Nothing makes yours worth more than theirs (even if you can find friends to agree) other than your own perspective.......which doesn't count for much since there are 5 billion other perspectives out there. Another way to look at it, if feeling superior to other people makes you happy, they've done you a favor. Which is why I fish with Flap.

GonnaCatchABig1 · 11-10-2007, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

Another way to look at it, if feeling superior to other people makes you happy, they've done you a favor. Which is why I fish with Flap.

then you should really fish with me sometime..

your point is well taken. but honestly can pride justify an easy kill? taking life is taking life. but can one really feel it is ok to have that life handed to you.
whether in the overall scheme of thing my opinions matter or not. it's my strong opinion that, if you are not willing to earn taking a life. you shouldn't take that life.
put it this way.. (it's a bad comparison i know) if you get in a shoot out with another armed man. and survive. that MIGHT be something to brag about. if you shoot an unarmed man. not at all.
the tracking and stalking being the armed mans weapon.
there is NO sport at ALL. you might as well shoot at cans. they dont run. they dont fool you. they dont lose you in the brush. and certainly they dont fight back.
i cant see it being any different than stepping on an ant. you kill something. with no effort. how proud can some one be to step on an ant?

just my thoughts.
if they are happy. fine. but dont expect me to respect them for it. and should their bragging meet with hostility. as far as i am concerned good.

also.. if they hand it to you and go find it and present it on a platter. then say ok. heres a knife (r better yet nothing) now go kill it barehanded.. thats something to brag about.

quick add on.. what you do for FOOD purposes doesnt concern me much. the only people who brag about killing an animal for food are generally people who kill something that feeds a village. even then the orginal kills wasnt purely for pride but to feed. killing something worth killing for food is a different scenario than killing PURELY for bragging rights.

thortum · 11-10-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

When your wife has a baby are you proud? Yet you did about as much as the guy on the charter boat, it seems. Life is too short to quibble about what makes other people happy. They have their value system, you have yours. Nothing makes yours worth more than theirs (even if you can find friends to agree) other than your own perspective.......which doesn't count for much since there are 5 billion other perspectives out there. Another way to look at it, if feeling superior to other people makes you happy, they've done you a favor. Which is why I fish with Flap.

I've had three babys and didn't brag about it - I was just "happy" about them. It's also not about knocking anyone elses "acomplishment" down in order to build mine up. It's simpley about being truethful. I'm not saying people shouldn't do those things. I'm simple saying "don't pretend to be something that you are not".

BigBo · 11-10-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by numbskull

When your wife has a baby are you proud? Yet you did about as much as the guy on the charter boat, it seems. Life is too short to quibble about what makes other people happy. They have their value system, you have yours. Nothing makes yours worth more than theirs (even if you can find friends to agree) other than your own perspective.......which doesn't count for much since there are 5 billion other perspectives out there. Another way to look at it, if feeling superior to other people makes you happy, they've done you a favor. Which is why I fish with Flap.

I think numbskull has it right. Myself, I don't fish to show off to others. I do it for myself because of the enjoyment I get out of it. Doesn't matter to me if others know of my accomplishments or not. When I had my boat and brought friends along, I was just as content at watching them catch.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to show off some nice catches that they're proud of though.

thortum · 11-10-2007, 10:28 AM

GonnaCatchABig1 · 11-11-2007, 01:55 AM

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OK.

wait.. what?!?! no!! you cant just agree!! this is the internet!!

lol.

numbskull i lke your second answer better. its more clear cut.

i guess i just dont understand why you would do all that working and paying. for something you could do on your own.
for example i could pay a guy to scuba out to a fish and place my plug into his mouth. then reel it in. or i could take the time and get the fish to bite.

overall it may take a bit longer to number two to happen. but time vs money spent is probably gonna be equal. and number 2 gives a bit more self gratification.

if some one is happy then they are happy. cant argue that. just seems to me in todays day and age people sell them selves short and dont realise how happy they could be with a bit more effort and less money. .

BigBo · 11-11-2007, 06:03 AM

Sometimes people like to go out to dinner at a nice restaurant instead of staying home and preparing a big meal themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

thortum · 11-11-2007, 07:04 AM

[QUOTE=GonnaCatchABig1;539366]wait.. what?!?! no!! you cant just agree!! this is the internet!!

I guess what "set me off' on this thread was seeing someone taking the life of a magificent animal [or any animal] on TV, with no more thought, than if she was buying a pair of shoes!! She "picked" the deer she wanted to kill from the stealth cam photos. The size of the heards have to be kept under control, so she was performing a service and contributing to the economy[all good things] just don't call it "HUNTING".

The Iceman 6 · 11-11-2007, 08:13 AM

I'm both happy and proud just to be out on the water. If I happen to catch only 1 fish, it's a bonus, several fish or a nice keeper bass is a priviledge....It's that simple for me really...

Ice

thortum · 11-10-2007, 08:01 AM

[QUOTE=GonnaCatchABig1;539137]hunting is different than fishing. anything you kill requires some shooting skill. but i feel (in the situation you described) she could feel just as proud by going to a shooting a range and hitting a bulls eye with out killing something.
I think you missed my point. It's not about hunting [I've hunted for 50yrs.] It's about bragging about things we didn't earn.

numbskull · 11-10-2007, 09:30 AM

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It's about bragging about things we didn't earn.

"Bragging" and being proud of an accomplishment are two different things. Someone who works, saves, plans, travels, and hires a guide who then puts them on big fish/big game has accomplished something. Maybe not something you or I value, but certainly something they value.....so why shouldn't they feel proud? Who, but themselves, is appointed to determine whether they "earned it"?

Bragging entails an expectation of positive feedback from others and as such assumes they share your value system. When they don't it always goes bad. Usually the person "bragging" only cares about the opinion of those that do share their value system. If you don't, then they have made a mistake, but why punish them fot it?